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Author:  Merzk [ Tue Feb 18, 2014 11:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Need some help regarding topic/kino escalation!
So I've been sarging for a month or so, had pretty good success and some dry nights aswell, but nontheless I'm trying to get the hang of it.

Lately I've been sarging with one friend I met here, but he is more into natural game and doesn't use openers and all these canned stuff..and lately I've been having much more success with the '' glasses/no glasses'' opener and I then try to keep the momentum going for a cube test, which I've finally got it right the last 2 times and literally one girl though I was psychic or something, BUT my wing said that these stuff are corny as fuck and I just should try and be myself...dunno if I should try to go into natural game (I have no fuckin idea what it is) or just keep practicing these sets till MY natural game comes around???

The second point is sometimes I have troubles keeping the momentum going after the opener and I end up ejecting in non awkward way, just so I don't face that silence before I think about the next thing to say..Any help regarding that??? plus I have no idea how to build Raport or that DHV stuff..been looking around and I can't find anything that explains it..I'm currently reading Niel strauss book which I love and I learned alot from it..But for a guy that does not have approaching anxiety I feel like I should be performing better since I don't mind doing anything at all..please tips would be great before heading off sarging this weeked, thanks bros :)
Author:  ConfidenceMatters [ Tue Feb 18, 2014 11:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Need some help regarding topic/kino escalation!
Natural game essentially means not using openers and routines as crutches (I.E. practicing more dominant and masculine behaviors). Routines are fine. They can do quite a bit of work, but you'll notice that they fall flat quickly. It's good to have one or two ready when those awkward silences come about, but you should definitely not rely so heavily on them. It'll take some time but read a few books, watch a few movies, listen to a few albums, look at some paintings, etc. so that you'll have something to talk about in conversation.

Building rapport is easy once you wrap your head around it. Its basic goal is to show that you're on the same wavelength as your audience, both on a mental and a physical level. To accomplish the former, you just have to follow a fairly simple verbal tactic:

-Say two things of interest per ever one (involved) question that you ask. For example: "I really like your shoes. My sister had a pair of shoes like them. She lost them though when we went to go see Radiohead. Do you like Radiohead?"

For physical rapport, follow these instructions:
-Mirror their body language (how they stand), tone (serious versus funny, loud versus quiet, etc.), pace of speech (fast or slow), diction (their word choice), and breathing patterns.

Demonstrating higher value (DHV) can be difficult if you don't really understand what they are. A routine is generally meant to demonstrate higher value. But there are a few other things that also DHV:
  • pre-selection – proving that other women want you
    being a leader
    being a protector of your family
    Ability and willingness to emote (correct emotional filters are in place, so you respond (automatically, unconsciously) the right way to different emotional circumstances)
    Belief in a greater cause – you are willing to devote to a greater cause in life, bigger than yourself.
    wealth (perceived)
    family background
    body build
    sense of humor
    social intuitiveness and wit

    ability to have fun and positive emotions (AKA vibe control)
    understanding how to redirect social pressure
    sense of style
    willingness to walk away
    having strong personal values and conviction beyond that of pick up
    all of these DHVs relate to: a solid congruency to an cool inner core and unique personality.
Here are some things that a lot of guys also need to work on that you might need to brush up on:

-Body language
-Negging
-Finding IOIs (finding indicators of interest)
Author:  cool_hand [ Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:38 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Need some help regarding topic/kino escalation!
I think routines and canned openers can work sometimes, but most of the time will lead you down a path where you've written a cheque that you can't cash. Let me explain..

If you've lived / are living a fascinating life full of world-travel and cultural / spiritual growth, then canned material will be totally unnecessary, and you'll have the deepest inner game there is, i.e. you'll have a life!!

Canned material suggests to your target all of the above, but once she dates you / gets to know you, if you haven't lead an interesting life, she'll soon recognise this and it might not end well for either of you.

By the way, I'm sure you ARE living an awesome life, my point is, USE THAT and not canned openers / routines.

CoolHand.
Author:  Merzk [ Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Need some help regarding topic/kino escalation!
Thanks for the replies guys ,helped alot :D, well ya I guess you're right I've been here and there and I got alot of stories to tell, I might just use that and see how it goes next time I'm out..The main problem I'm facing right now is creating sexual tension on will..it seems that most of the times I turn into this fun guy to talk to, but not to go home with, except a few times when they get REALLY hooked and then its easy peasy from there..How to make my intentions clear? without offending her or anything..besides girls go out to get laid as well its not like im forcing her or somthing :D
Author:  cool_hand [ Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Need some help regarding topic/kino escalation!
To make my intension clear, I create genuine sexual tension by pushing and pulling them all night. Mostly just stuff like "is that your hair I keep smelling?" take it. smell it. push her away and say playfully "you need to keep away from me".

This communicates your sexual interest mixed with resistance. Girls HATE when you just plow plow plow forward. It's so much more effective if you move forward, then back, then forward again. Each new re-entry strengthens her willingness to fuck you.

I guess the idea here is to let-her-miss-you... by pulling back sometimes... if you get me?
Author:  Merzk [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Need some help regarding topic/kino escalation!
Ya I get what you mean, ill definitely try this out tonight..I've read this article about natural game that has been posted, its really good and I think I might just throw away all the canned stuff and try to focus more on my inner game..although I have no idea how to do that, but I read that there is no routines or solid way for practicing natural gaming or otherwise it wouldn't be called natural. If you have any tips regarding that I'd really appreciate it, I'm not looking for a guide to stick to, but more of what to expect and what to focus on to strengthen my inner game and hopefully transition to a natural, thanks in advance
Author:  cool_hand [ Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Need some help regarding topic/kino escalation!
Well inner game mostly comes from life experience. So I recommend travel, (or if that's not possible at least make sure you're well read).

There's really two side to the membrane... So, before you have success with a girl, you may be full of doubt and conflict, but this is all in your head. Once success comes with this girl, and she's lying satiated on your bed showering you with affection, then you'll feel like a hero.

My point is, within 12 hours you can go from one extreme, feeling inadequate and full of self-doubt, to the other extreme, feeling totally pumped up like a master stud. One of these realities is true... You got it... The master stud!!!

Deep inner game is realising, from experience, that you are the latter, and carrying this truth through life with you. Women will recognise it, and you'll get more an more success.

Remember, the doubt is just your mind messing with you.
Author:  Merzk [ Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Need some help regarding topic/kino escalation!
Thanks bro, I've already traveled around alot I've been to Romania for 6 month as an intern and Germany, I was raised in Egypt for 15 years and visited Dubai for a year or so and now I'm doing my masters here in Edinburgh, but I've never realized these life experiences could get me far :D. You're right about the doubt vs success because the first night I got a lay was after sarging for the third time and I was so confident that I felt like Im emitting that vibe to everyone that even an HB8 around her mid 30's literally walked up to me and was like "this looks like a gentleman" and I didn't even notice her until she approached that night felt amazing! I'll see how it goes and Ill post my next experience in the appropriate thread..thanks for the advice and all
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