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Author:  Pinkfloyd123 [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:10 pm ]
Post subject:  My BIGGEST sticking points!!
Hey guys, so I'm gonna' list some things my game could be better on. These are constant issues I keep struggling with. When I studied game, I wasn't able to grasp all of it so I have half understandings of ATTRACT COMFORT SEDUCE. Ex: I'll make her comfortable but not build a connection. I've studied game for a long time but I don't fully understand it. What I'm suppose to say, do, how to react to her etc.

I was texting a girl today creating a role-play scene and I was gonna say "If I was bad in your class what would you do to me?" I realized that sets her as the dominant one in the fantasy?! I'm like why the heck did I come up with that. I'm not dominant in my life and sorta struggle behaving/saying things from that mind set. I don't know why?!

Here's the list please try to respond to every one:

Opening: I have no idea what to say to begin a convo. Go direct/indirect?
Attraction: I don't know what to say to make HER WANT me. To get her interested in me, to attract her. Something I REALLY need help on.
DHV (stories): I never tell DHV stories, I don't have any in my personal life (me rescuing a girl, etc).
DHV (in general): I don't know how to DHV in general to look good. You know what I mean.
Push/pull: I understand it a little but my comments aren't as good as they should be.
Negging: I never do this, I was told it does work. If I should should it be done
Qualify: I think I do this ok. Basically you set a hoop for her (your fun but are you adventurous?)
Comfort: I know about asking her passions in life and all that but that's it.
Connection: I have no idea how this should be done
Escalation: I know to touch as soon as you meet, touch hands first, then get closer
Closing: I end up closing too fast and I say You seem fun, when I'm free lets hang out.
Seduction: I have 0 understanding of this.
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Body and life:
Body: Im 5'4, I used to be 270 but I now weigh 157. I still have fat in my mid-section.
Alpha: Im not alpha, I always goof up in public, get lost with directions, make stipid mistakes. Very needy, worry a lot, sometimes wheep. And have low self-esteem and confidence.
Dominant: I'm not dominant. On the inside I feel small and weak or chicken. Like I'm not a man
Mentality: I think everything has to be perfect and I feel pathetic on the inside
Social life: I have no car, friends, job or apartment. I don't know how to create a life for my self
Masculinity: Im all talk, no walk. I'm overly sensitive and not very manly. This is a HUGE issue for me. I don't demonstrate masculine behavior (dominance, winning fights) I can't protect myself cause I'm unsble to make a fist (due to a muscle disease).
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Logistics: I tell her, "This weeks hectic but I may hv free time. How's your week looking? My understanding of that. Also what to do while on a date with her.
Texting: I never understood the first thing I should text a girl and where I should bring the conversation. How to respond to her texts. My texts hv no flow to them. I want to be able to FULLY I repeat FULLY understand this.
Escalation with texting: I never know if I should do this before or after meeting them. And if I do it, it ends up looking perverted or WAY too sexual. I'm not gauging her responses.
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Notes: Build Rapport
Connect emotionally
Learn qualities to posses
Inner game
Responding properly to what she says/tactics"
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I know it's a lot to read I'm sorry but this shows you how dedicated I am to being a man. These are the things in game I'd like to able to FULLY understand so I can figure the rest out myself. There's also some personal issues like not having a job and depression and etc.
if you can please comment on each issue and make me understand it! I want to learn! ;)

IMPORTANT: if you'd like to text me or talk over SPAM just PM me. I'd like a parter in helping me.
THANKS!
Author:  FastFlyer [ Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: My BIGGEST sticking points!!
Hey brother, I am dealing with some issues in life myself so I can't help you with all the points but I think I can give you some advice. I would say first thing you have to do is work on yourself and what I mean by that is start with the basics, like getting a job. This will make you feel better, boost yourself esteem and give you freedom that you may not have right now. I know sometimes that's easier said then done but get anything that is available. I would also grow your friend circle. Put yourself out there, and take chances befriending people.

Those few things that I mentioned are key to becoming good with girls. I am succesful as far as what I have set and accomplished in my life but I still have issues with women. One of the biggest reason I think I m having issues is the fact that I feel some things you do, like being too needy, and having low self-esteem at times. I don't have the best circle of friends so it makes it tougher for me to boost my confidence and self-esteem.

I would baby step your path to recovery. Don't expect too much at all once. What helped me few years ago is that I read The Game and got a good perspective on how he started and what he became. Try reading that book if you haven't already. I hope it helps! Good Luck
Author:  lopsiderembarrassed [ Sat Jan 11, 2014 4:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: My BIGGEST sticking points!!
Dude you got the whole outline perfect. Whatever you say during dhvs doesn't matter and this is my advice: go for it. They don't have to be extremely impressive, something such as I went out the other day and this guy I saw had a really doofy way of walking. Best of luck
Author:  Pinkfloyd123 [ Sat Jan 11, 2014 5:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: My BIGGEST sticking points!!
Thanks for both of your responses!
I'm currently looking for a job now, and trying to get that situated.
However when it comes to the rest of everything, I don't think the responses work. I want to be REALLY good at game. When it comes to my issue it didn't shed any light on it.

I want to understand all of those issues and know how to fix them.
Author:  `Feather [ Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: My BIGGEST sticking points!!
HEY BRO, good analysis of yourself. you remind me a lot of myself when i joined this community which is why i reccommend checking out my journal "Feather's journal" just to help you with some of the mistakes youll be going through in the coming months (you will have a lot of failures, but this is a good thing because thats how you become good)

first about your opener, i learned eventually that its no about what you say; its how you say it.
by this i mean your body language, keep that body language in check as much as you can, its a life lesson and eventually your body will always look confident automatically. these are the most important parts of body language to check on:

eye contact (try to memorise her eye colour)- do not stop looking into her eyes.

smile, always smile when youre interacting with her, unless shes talking about something negative like how her boss is always trying to grab her ass.

hands and arms, make sure they arent infront of you covering your balls, keep your thumbs in your back pockets which makes you seem like you have a bigger chest and look relaxed.

proximity- there is no reason you should be standing too far away from her, after you say "hi, i was wondering" you should step closer. look at your dominant elbow right now, you should be close enough that you can touch her lower back while your elbow is relaxed ( you will be sideways when youre talking to her initially)

kino, now kino should be introduced very quickly from the moment you tap her on the shoulder to talk to her.
what i like to do is stand close to them and occasionally touch their arm or lower back whenever im in the middle of a sentence. eg: "hey i was wondering *touch arm* if you guys are friendly or mean? *remove arm*.....yeah theres a pizza place *touch lower back* down that road, id love to let you buy me a slice sometime. *remove hand*"

you wont have to flirt with her, because your body is already flirting with her.


closing- when you say "you seem fun lets hang out" youre saying that because she is fun you want to see her again, this puts a lot of pressure on her, if she likes you she is going to be worried if shes still fun the next time you see her. instead have something specific in mind eg: "hey my friend told me that city hall has free tours everyday so im planning on having an educational weekend, you should tag along!"

IMPORTANT

find a wing, and point out sets for eachother. take turns, tell him to open, then he will tell you to open another group....cold approaching will teach you so much in such a short time but you probably dont have the courage to do it alone yet.

when you go in, ask him to keep an eye on your body language (you will be so focused on what youre going to say next that youll forget about your body language)
when you come back to him, he should judge your body language and he should tell you any IOI's that he saw coming from her, this will skyrocket you to success.

make a journal if you havnt already, 1 year from now you will be amazed

failure always leads to sucess if you keep going

go out next time and open a girl/girls then reflect on what you did right and wrong, then make plans of what you will do next time.

and trust me when i say your body type, looks, employment status, really doesnt matter in the end

if you have any questions/problems feel free to message me because im pretty bored

Feather
Author:  Pinkfloyd123 [ Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: My BIGGEST sticking points!!
Hey feather, thanks so much for your response!! Quite helpful.

Something I'd like you to touch on is, what to open with in text and what to say after that. I have no idea how to be interesting or anything I end up scaring lots of girls away.

Also how to initially make them attracted to ME.
Also I want to improve my finances and life for my self, screw everyone else. I have to do it for me.
If you'd like to chat over txt, FB or SPAM just PM and we'll share info. Thanks.
Author:  `Feather [ Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: My BIGGEST sticking points!!
well to open with a text i usually go for something funny like

"hey is your refrigerator running?"

most girls will already understand the prank but it makes them giggle.

what juilen from rsd, and a lot of my friends do is they text their name and thats it. They want to make a point that they arent needy.
Author:  `Feather [ Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: My BIGGEST sticking points!!
then you can give any transition you want, the end goal is to see her again. you can say

"hey have you been (salsa lessons/ice skating/ botanic gardens) before? its amazing!

response: no i havnt but id like to

*you're in*

alternate response: no i havnt/ yes i have

"ok well if youre free sometime, you can tag along with me"
Author:  `Feather [ Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: My BIGGEST sticking points!!
Usually if she doesnt respond to a text or if she doesnt show up, its because she hasnt become comfortable with you when you first met.

a great solution is to take her on an instadate, after get to know her, grab a cofee with her. then she will be more comfortable with you and will be less likely to flake when you try to set up a day 2
Author:  Zvesdan [ Wed Jan 15, 2014 7:21 am ]
Post subject:  Re: My BIGGEST sticking points!!
several things for you man 1. For openers on texting what i did that changed my whole texting game was honestly going to google and type "pua forum texting game" this is what changed all my openers and they have plenty to choose from. Another thing make friends have a social circle my success is based on interaction on others to help me have a good vibe talking to them than i approach women and my come off as more confident just by simply talking to my friends earlier. It's like a warm-up for a match for me atleast. as for being confident body lang. wise stand up straight! chest kinda out and walk like your a proud happy person and smile. even if you don't feel like smiling do it and it makes you happier after a little bit and girls won't be as nervous if you approach them. as far as being needy to help with that is deal with it. Honestly i was just needy like 4 days ago for a chick but after i started hanging out with friends and did my own thing my needy ness went away. But if it doesn't work like that Honeslty just catch yourself in it and work on controlling. Thats what i did and do when i get needy just calm myself down and say she isn't my center of my day or my happiness. Watch RSD julien and tyler also watch Kezia noble there all on you tube and give great tips and advise on what to do to make yourself confident and attractive. RsD especailly since they show infield footage on what they actually when they approach women. good luck man
Author:  Pinkfloyd123 [ Thu Jan 16, 2014 3:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: My BIGGEST sticking points!!
That was really helpful guys. Btw, do you have any links I can look up texting with?

Don't take this in a rude way or anything, cause my words can be taken the wrong way since I'm typing them and you can't hear my voice to see which way I mean something. But I feel like my issues haven been addressed.

In real life my issue is: 1) Opening (no idea ahat to say) and making her 2) attracted to me and how to 3) DHv in all situations (even the right choice to make in a situation or the right thing to say when I'm being tested by her). 4) Deeper comfort and connection is also something I don't understand as well as (5how to turn her on and seduce her.

Second issue, I want a good paying way of making money and a car for MYSELF. Forget girls. I want to be able to look at myself in the mirror instead of turning in Shame. My whole family puts me down and makes me feel insignificant and degraded for this issue. I want to show them and all the ppl that doubt me what I'm capable of. I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE MONEY... It hurts.. Feel free to pm me if you want to go over things.
Author:  Midget [ Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: My BIGGEST sticking points!!
Wow. I think I had just met my twin. You my friend, we are so much alike. The family shit and being a boring and/or clueless as fuck person.

I only knew about the game 2 months ago when my cousin (a PUA turned PUG, he's been in the field for 5 or more years already.) into'd me to the book. I never really went out to the field to try it but I have been sort of practicing in my everyday life.

I'm usually a slow learner, but I know how to use routines and openers and attracts. But it always leads back to inner game. And I'm too mentally fucked up to appear fun, playful and outgoing. And to be honest, everything you said about yourself on your first post was exactly me.

Come tag along with me and pm me if you wanna talk about this more.
Author:  Pinkfloyd123 [ Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: My BIGGEST sticking points!!
I wanna add more to the masculinity issue:
I express my negative feelings to much and explain myself in a feminine way.
I'm afraid of others that are bigger then me, thinking they can harm me. I'm naturally beta and nerdy.
IMPORTANT ONE: The woman doesn't see me as a man or protector, like I can defend her. Maybe its cause I'm 5'4 and can't make a fist and have no muscle on me.
How do I fix this?

P.S. You may say, well just work out! Problem is, I have more fat on me then muscle so I have to lose weight first before I can bulk... not unless I can out on some muscle in the process
Author:  Pinkfloyd123 [ Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: My BIGGEST sticking points!!
I feel like I don't have an adequate understanding of game. Can someone give me a PDF/audio oil that explains EVERYTHING from Open to Seduce?
Author:  Midget [ Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: My BIGGEST sticking points!!
Looks like you need a LOT of work with your inner game man. Screw learning routines!
What you need to do is understand who you really are, and what your actual value really is.

You say you feel beneath the people around you. Do NOT feel that way ever. Because you don't know how much better you are than they are. Everyone has problems. But they're all just better at hiding it.

This is an exercise I like to do to make myself bigger:
I look out at the park or anywhere outdoors from your office building or whatever. I imagine a 50 foot statue. It has my face. It shares the same name. That 50 foot statue is my ego. Now I should be aware of my state. Look at how big it is compared to other people. By now I should be smiling. Cause I know it's quirky and funny. And it also brings my state up.

Notice how my speech changes. No more mitigated speech.

And oh my you've been in the community for a long time xD
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