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Author:  freakincare [ Tue Feb 07, 2012 8:16 am ]
Post subject:  Direct Openers, but always flake :(
Hey guys

Tried direct opening, both at night and day game. I can reach big hoops or big qualification questions, but somehow the numbers always flake...

Here is how I generally do my direct...(I try to be playful in the beginning, and more serious once we reach qualification)

[Direct opener] something i like about you (Get around 1 to 2 IOIs for opening)

[FTC + Transit] So what are u up to today

[DHV story] followed by [Qualification, generally small hoop]

[DHV story] followed by Qualification. I IOD her if she does something I do not like...i still IOD despite the fact that I conveyed interests in the beginning. I try to pull a screening frame rather than a begging frame.

Bait around 2 places that I'm visiting so I can pull her into a day 2. Then I would number close pretty smoothly, without any resistance.

Then I would continue to attract + qualify, then future projections and teasing.

This would generally last around 20 minutes.

20-40% of the time I can get a instant day 2. (Usually shopping and generally 30 minutes to 1 hour, and I do some day 2 games like dancing salsa in the middle of the streets, and can reach comfort)

However, after the whole approach, they are either very flakey or just flake.
Flake as in they don't reply to my text or phone calls.

I generally use text openers from this forum...no idea why they flaked :(

Whereas most of my indirect approaches transit to a day 2 very smoothly...
Author:  FCgame [ Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:08 am ]
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Don't think it too much! This is not rocket science. I't not what you say it's how you say it. You can use a very lame opener but the important thing here is to make it work for you.

If your openers are not working is not because the opener itself there has to be other reason
Author:  pumpington [ Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:19 am ]
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four ideas for you to experiment with man,

-don't focus on the outer game stuff for a while

-open and just speak your mind directly, without fear of what she thinks, tell her what you want and show her (express) how you feel with your mood, actions, words and how you are around her, give her time to talk, don't be rushed to show her how good you are, just let her show you how good she is

-try to kill your energy down lower, if you are really high energy playful all over the place, kill it down, don't try to impress her, instead focus on just finding out stuff about her, chill out, relax, get to know her, tease her a bit, just be normal, you don't have to say or do anything special, just be you and be for real and honest that you are into her and want to get to know her, focus more on just connecting with a person in front of you and getting to know them, then just if I do XYZ I get the fucky fucky, YEAH... FUCKY FUCKY!!

-be observant about the situation, and when in doubt just talk about her, say something about her, ask questions about her, make comments about her, and if you feel like the convo is dieing, don't try to save it, just be silent, if she likes you she will try to help you maintain the convo and she will break the silence and start talking (good eye contact helps with this), take that as your que to re-direct the conversation into her talking about things that are relevant to your goals (does she possess qualities you like in a girlfriend?, does she do shit you like to do?, does she share the same sexual views as you do?)

if you can do all that and you are comfortable with approaching, just start actually spending time meeting women, and actually screen them out, if a girl gives you shit and won't participate in a convo, onto the next one, if a girl seems emotionally boring and does not match up with a girl that you could hang out with (personality wise) be honest with her, and next her

like seriously be 100% honest, ''I really like the way you look, and I could totally see myself hooking up with you, but you just don't seem like the kind of girl I would date, you can come back to my place and we could just watch a movie and see what happens,who knows maybe we could share other interests together but there is only one way to find out, how bout it?''

even with all the no's it does not really matter, you can just move onto the next girl and stop wasting all this time on a girl who is not interested and go find one that is, if you are screening and going through all the effort to find girlsfriends, you might as well just be straight up honest with them, no pickup routines or anything, use that for practise improving the social skills for fun, but just shift back and fourth try to just be real and develope some real inner confidence that comes from yourself and not from a fake self, just be normal (what ever that is for you)

what ever you do, make it 100% real, if you think you can tell when something is off and person is putting on an act to impress you, or is lieing or is a poser, girls have that better then you x100, just be real and go for what you want, and relax more while doing it and have fun

GOOD LUCK
Author:  Stelar [ Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Direct Openers, but always flake :(
Quote:
Hey guys

Tried direct opening, both at night and day game. I can reach big hoops or big qualification questions, but somehow the numbers always flake...

Here is how I generally do my direct...(I try to be playful in the beginning, and more serious once we reach qualification)

[Direct opener] something i like about you (Get around 1 to 2 IOIs for opening)

[FTC + Transit] So what are u up to today

[DHV story] followed by [Qualification, generally small hoop]

[DHV story] followed by Qualification. I IOD her if she does something I do not like...i still IOD despite the fact that I conveyed interests in the beginning. I try to pull a screening frame rather than a begging frame.

Bait around 2 places that I'm visiting so I can pull her into a day 2. Then I would number close pretty smoothly, without any resistance.

Then I would continue to attract + qualify, then future projections and teasing.

This would generally last around 20 minutes.

20-40% of the time I can get a instant day 2. (Usually shopping and generally 30 minutes to 1 hour, and I do some day 2 games like dancing salsa in the middle of the streets, and can reach comfort)

However, after the whole approach, they are either very flakey or just flake.
Flake as in they don't reply to my text or phone calls.

I generally use text openers from this forum...no idea why they flaked :(

Whereas most of my indirect approaches transit to a day 2 very smoothly...
The problem is not with the opener , it's the fact you are not dominant and sexual enough.

Have sexual eyes , speak slowly and you can lose the playful part since it makes you look feminine because I am fairly certain you don't know how to properly do that.

Search day game videos on youtube.

It's pointless to go direct and say you want to know her and then DHV.

Ask questions about herself , don't use routines and DO NOT TALK ABOUT YOURSELF.

This is why they flake.
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