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| Author: | Jay86 [ Tue Dec 27, 2011 3:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Why do I lose so many girls in phase 2!? |
I have no problem meeting girls and evan on a slow night out can get 3 or 4 numbers. But with the majority of the girls I meet as soon I contact them a few days later it's almost like they don't want to talk to me! Conversations just dry up very quickly! It's strange because there has been girls I have been kissing all night or where very clingy the night I met them or on a few occasions evan girls that approached me! This has been happening for years and I have tried different approaches but nothing seems to consistently work. I'd say if I go out 3 nights in a week and get 10 numbers I will usually only meet up with 1 of them. My number to meet ratio is terrible! Any advice? Thanks Jay86 |
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| Author: | mickeyjackson21 [ Tue Dec 27, 2011 1:50 pm ] |
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perhaps most of the girls that you have encountered were really drunk or you didnt make a strong enough impact for them to remember you. all of the conversations that you had before with the girls should be as fresh during phase 2 as much as phase 1. you do this by putting them in the emotional configuration as they were when they met you by mentioning a few things which happened when you guys met, something that she does, a nickname you called her etc. these things bring the girl back to the same frame of mind. in addition, when you met a girl, there was only so much that you found out already about them, but what dont you know about them? something to consider. here are some notes on attraction, building rapport, and number closing which might be of interest to you as well as some conversational techniques that i use all the time. enjoy. one thing you should know is when to tease (push pull technique, negging etc). they should only be used if ur target is a 7.5 or above (or the girls who think they are 7.5 or above whereas in actual fact they are not). if you were to tease a girl below that rating, you would end of hurting and insulting them. in exclaimer for using negging and teasing is that one should positively validate their target before they negatively validate them. the reason to do it in this way is because one must hook their target in order to get their attention. so after the positive validation (for a set who is +7.5) you negatively validate them (tease, push) in order to put yourself at a higher level than them because at the beginning they are higher than you. the main reason why it is good to use negging is to challenge the ego of a girl of high calibre which is something that a typical afc does not do. and by doing this, it shows that u r a man that has high standards and does not go for just any girl and this will make the girl more interested and it will compel her to work harder to gain your approval because you have showed disinterest in her, told her that she does not fit your standards (negative validation). girls always want the guys that is surrounded by women and guys which are difficult to get, its a challenge for women to go after those guys. building rapport is a very interesting process. in order to build a great emotional connection one must choose to talk about things which have deep emotional content. it does not matter what the girl does or likes, you can connect with her even if you have dissimilar interests. as you know all occupations and hobbies are completely different in their complexity, principles and structure, but there is one thing which all of them have in common/share "EMOTIONS". one must be empathetic and show a girl that u understand why she chose to do that job or hobbie by expressing the emotions that one feels when doing that activity, it shows that you're really trying to get to know her, and she will think "wow this is a great guy to talk to, he's making an effort to understand me, but wait, i dont know anything about him" and this will compel her to ask you questions and u can freely express yourself how ever much u want as long as u express urself passionately and positively. all the men dont do this at all and do not understand how much empathy is a powerful force and openly allow themselves to be perceived to see a girl superficially. you can use the concept of 'rapport' to ur advantage as well. in order for you to build greater rapport with her, get used to asking more open-ended questions e.g. "what have you been up to?" or "What did u get up to today?", my one: "What monkey business did u get up to today?". dont use questions like "wats up hun?", thats a closed-ended question which the girl would simply answer and she wont give u much material to work on in order to reach the hook point. and connect on her answers in a positive way. dont be afraid to tease her as well. dont be afraid to create impact. when telling a girl about a situation that happened to u on that day or in the week, give more details about it, women love details. it is also good to read the local news paper, women are usually very aware what happens in the world, u should as well. u can get her point of view on something in the news (nothing to do with which celebrity had sex with who) e.g. political, environmental, sociological etc and then she would ask you what u think and you can manipulate the conversation which can lead anywhere u want. another way u can have an "endless conversation" is the principle of "Question, statement, Question, statement, Q, S, Q, S etc". so u ask an open question, receive the answer, and then make a statement about the last thing she said in order to ask a deeper question. this process can go round in a circle, it can go on for ages. after you have the girl attracted to you and built rapport, here's how to make sure that you can get a definite number close and afterwards ensure a date in the future. the way to ask a girl out is by 'offering' not asking permission, never ask "Do you want to go out tonight?" or "will you go out with me?" or "so what time are you free tomorrow?". They are all questions which AFCs do. they make a guy sound needy, desperate, dependent on doing something with her. so before offering a date, let her know how busy and sociable you are. girls want guys who are difficult to get. usually in rapport with girls, to make sure she does not flake on u after the first meeting, there's a pua principle called 'seeding'. this is when u in plant an invitation in the conversation with her but u havent actually invited her. for example, you could say that "im thinking of going to this really cool bar sometime next week which i heard about". now usually when a guy mentions to a girl about going to a bar, club or party that u know, the girl will always expects the guy to automatically invite her. but what you would do is just to mention the party or the bar and continue on the conversation. this will catch the girl off guard and the girl will be thinking "hey, this guy is pretty cool (depending on the attraction and rapport), but he has just mentioned this party but why is he not asking me out?". she will think this and will be more compelled and desperate for you to ask her and she realises that she needs to work in order to get the invitation. women want to go to things that are hard to get into, exclusive and even more if they are told they cant go. people always want to go to things when they have been told they cant go. sounds so forbiden and interesting. dont be in the position to be waiting for a girl to call you, women are lazy or busy but definitely unreliable. you make the contact. but when u contact, dont sound like you are too eager to see her, bad sign to show that ur desperate. in between texting a girl, act like u dont care if she ever replies back. i know it sounds crazy, but it does not feel good waiting, checking ur phone every so often seeing if the girl replies. have the frame of mind that u dont care about a reply, then u will feel less anxious, and more focused on ur game. hope that i have helped. happy gaming dude |
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| Author: | Jay86 [ Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:30 pm ] |
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Thanks for that Mickey? I think making more of an impact when I 1st meet the girl is something I need to work on more. Sometimes I rush through to get the number so I can move on to the next girl! Maybe I should start going for quality instead on quantity. Jay86 |
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| Author: | _Lothario_ [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:59 am ] |
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If you meet 10 girls, why are you trying to meet more than one of them? You only have one dick. GFTOW |
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| Author: | SexAddict911 [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why do I lose so many girls in phase 2!? |
Quote: I have no problem meeting girls and evan on a slow night out can get 3 or 4 numbers.
It took me awhile to figure out this one. This used to happen to me as wellBut with the majority of the girls I meet as soon I contact them a few days later it's almost like they don't want to talk to me! Conversations just dry up very quickly! It's strange because there has been girls I have been kissing all night or where very clingy the night I met them or on a few occasions evan girls that approached me! This has been happening for years and I have tried different approaches but nothing seems to consistently work. I'd say if I go out 3 nights in a week and get 10 numbers I will usually only meet up with 1 of them. My number to meet ratio is terrible! Any advice? Thanks Jay86 You waited too long to contact them. You have to keep the fire hot. Women are creatures of emotion, they live for the highs and lows. It's your job to keep the fire hot, You should immediately contacted her that night. To say hope you got home safe, or it was nice meeting you or goodnight. Even if they got the message the next morning, they would have woken up reading a nice message from you, and she will most likely reply.( keeping the fire lit) And having renewed interest on her part. The worst thing you can do is wait for a few days. All the emotional energy that you gave her is now gone, she has had time to over think every single moment from that night( and the rest of her life< woman are scatter brained, they simply think too much! about everything and anything. They can talk themselves out of anything. Given the "time" This also goes for online game. If you get a woman hot and heavy, doing and showing you things very naughty! You need to MEET HER ASAP!! keep the fire hot. Without fire, shit can get cold really fast! |
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| Author: | ALPHA LiON [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why do I lose so many girls in phase 2!? |
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My number to meet ratio is terrible!
Instant Dates: i.e venue change to a bar/restaurant or back to your placeAny advice? Remember: You CAN get a girl in bed the same night you meet her and still have a meaningfull lasting relationship out of it. The other thing I'd suggest is doing more day game the numbers flake less. |
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