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Author:  Dan_R [ Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:43 am ]
Post subject:  Making the transition.
Ok, I need some advise.
Right now I'm living with a girl that I really like, we've known each other for a roughly a year and have been sharing an apartment for a few months now. Around when we first met she seemed really interested in me, put out all the signals and whatnot. The only time I ever got close to getting some action out of her was one night when we were both piss drunk rolling around on the living room floor and she suddenly started removing my pants, then my stupid room mate walked in :x Now that we're living together she seems less interested, I believe she thinks of me more as a 'little brother' than anything else right now. I'm in tight with her folks, I even work a second job with her mom(Her mom knows I like her and encourages me). She's defiantly not shy or uncomfortable around me as she often parades around in her panties. I occasionally give her foot and back massages(she goes topless but keeps the girls covered up), but I've cut her off from them in an effort to get her to ask instead of having me offer. She offers to return the favor whenever my back is bothering me but I usually pass.
Any tips on how I can go from friend to good friend?
Author:  kloombrh [ Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:28 am ]
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never room with a girl until after the wedding. it's just an experiment nearly 9 times out of 10 that's just doomed to fail.
Author:  Alabaster [ Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:35 am ]
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never room with a girl until after the wedding. it's just an experiment nearly 9 times out of 10 that's just doomed to fail.
I think u should definitely live with a girl before you marry her. You would want to get a feel for how the rest of your life would be and see if you even could tolerate living with her.

Imagine if you married someone and then realized that you can't stand to spend most of your time with them?
Author:  Facher [ Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:22 pm ]
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I want you to realize one of my main components in my logic: humans decide using this algorithm: if value(X) > value(Y), then do X.

Now, if you think having her as your GF is better than just being a roommate, then go ahead. Logic is complete. But..

Lets say that you FAIL. Does the consequences of failing hurt more than the positive stuff of succeeding? This is not the way you should reason when gaming at clubs etc, but I really advice you to do so now.

The logical thing to do would be to TEST her. Boost her attraction again and test her. Test her in a way that if she liked you, she would respond in one way and understand the test, and if not she wouldnt understand that she were being tested. Get my point?

Bing AFC and saying "I love you" here would IMO result in no more miss toppless and runnign around in panties. Please note that theese behaviours does not correspond as an IOI in your case. Why? If she thinks of you as gay, then you got the answer.

I suggest you start DHV'ing heavily. Make up stories about how girls add you on facebook etc (if you can show her, it's awesome =). Do more kino on her. Take her out, kino her. You could do some NLP-patterns on her, but that could be a bit too hard (or?).

However once a girl thinks of you as gay, or as a very good friend, it's hard to make her change. Depending on her personality, you could become her fuck-buddy, and then perhaps start a relationship that way. Being superdrunk and fucking her, and then noting her respones the day after would be to big help.

If her mom knows about your feelings, this girl also does. I think that moms are loyal to their daughters, and inform them about this stuff. Still she doesn't care about the panties-stuff. HM. It is possuble for her to be comfortable with you, but NOT in a sexual way, as her mind might think "I allow him to see me in my panties, but if he tries anytjing, i jsut say how I feel, and he will stop since he's so nice".

On the contrary, she might feel just like you do... but might be afraid to show anything.

Again; DHV+kino, then test attraction level.
Author:  Dan_R [ Sun Oct 19, 2008 3:36 am ]
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Thanks for the responses guys, especially Facher. I did a little research(I study psychology in my spare time DON'T JUDGE ME!) and came across some interesting points that I'd like to bounce off you guys. According to Sigmund Freud it is possible to go from friend to lover in 3 easy steps.
1. Gain her respect, show no weakness and flaunt your achievements. This ones a gimme.
2. Refuse to be her friend, do not give her advise and do not listen to her problems. This differentiates you from her 'girlfriends'. This one is kind of tough for me, I've always been the 'supportive' type.
3. Gain a position of dominance over her, not through advise but through action. Prove to her(or give her the illusion) that you are wiser and more responsible than her. This one I managed through luck, she was fired from her job and as fate would have it the same afternoon I got an offer for a much better job so I will be the main breadwinner in the house now.

Once you achieve these these steps Freudian mechanisms dictate she will fall in love with you weather she wants to or not. After that it's as simple as you stated, DHV+Kino and she'll fall right into your lap.
I'm sure this is all common knowledge to you fellas but remember I'm still new to all this :lol:
Author:  Primitive [ Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:06 am ]
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never room with a girl until after the wedding. it's just an experiment nearly 9 times out of 10 that's just doomed to fail.
Actually before I got with my ex-wife we were just buddy buddy room mates, of course I was dating her best friend at the time, and she had a boyfriend living in another state, one day we were alone, started tickling her on the bed, went for a kiss, one thing led to another (we both cheated lol)and we got married a year after, and it lasted 4 years all together : P

And how did I do it? I had her alone, started tickling and wrestling her, and naturally went for a kiss, and that led to sex, and we hooked up after that, and got married.

So honestly.... I usually have pretty deep insight when it comes to advice. But all I really have to say on this one is start being playfull with her, then get into wrestling and ticking her, then go for a kiss when you're both all laughing and caught up in the moment, and the timings right. Hell... it worked for me ;)
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