PUA Forum :: Only try HB5´s- HB6´s..Can my Game be too alpha and turnoff

I find myself going for girls who are not great looking (just average) alot, even though i consider myself a pretty good looking guy. I know this is something i have to change in the future. But in the meantime i have a question:
The PUAs just about everywhere say to never compliment a girl becaue it lowers your relative value. But with the girls i tend to go for, i am wondering if they will be somewhat insecure. In this case, I am scared of coming across as "too alpha" and TOO self-confident and TOO independent, and maybe in such cases their insecurity will kick in, expecially if i dont complement them and even throw in a neg here and there, and then they will believe i am not really into them...Which i don´t want to have happen.

Any suggestions?

Author:	rhinoceros [ Wed Aug 24, 2011 4:51 pm ]
Post subject:	Only try HB5´s- HB6´s..Can my Game be too alpha and turnoff
I find myself going for girls who are not great looking (just average) alot, even though i consider myself a pretty good looking guy. I know this is something i have to change in the future. But in the meantime i have a question: The PUAs just about everywhere say to never compliment a girl becaue it lowers your relative value. But with the girls i tend to go for, i am wondering if they will be somewhat insecure. In this case, I am scared of coming across as "too alpha" and TOO self-confident and TOO independent, and maybe in such cases their insecurity will kick in, expecially if i dont complement them and even throw in a neg here and there, and then they will believe i am not really into them...Which i don´t want to have happen. Any suggestions?

Author:	Theososs [ Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:19 pm ]
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Im no PUA, but rAFC but maybe i can help you out . Some girls might be a 5 or 6 but think they're actually an 8, that happens quite a bit so if you decide to game those (which i wouldnt do) just game them as an HB8. Otherwise if she has low self esteem I'd strongly suggest you NOT to neg her, prolly not even once. Inn the particular case of 5 and 6 I'd compliment them a couple of times, but try to be honest. For the future you should target at 7's or 8's imo, they shouldn't be tat harder than a 5 to get, if gamed right and having good looks as you've said. G'Luck!

Author:	MynameisFisher [ Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:37 pm ]
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Quote: I find myself going for girls who are not great looking (just average) alot, even though i consider myself a pretty good looking guy. I know this is something i have to change in the future. But in the meantime i have a question: The PUAs just about everywhere say to never compliment a girl becaue it lowers your relative value. But with the girls i tend to go for, i am wondering if they will be somewhat insecure. In this case, I am scared of coming across as "too alpha" and TOO self-confident and TOO independent, and maybe in such cases their insecurity will kick in, expecially if i dont complement them and even throw in a neg here and there, and then they will believe i am not really into them...Which i don´t want to have happen. Any suggestions? I'm gonna stop you right at the beginning. What do you mean they say you should NEVER compliment a girl? Who told you this bullshit? And there is a simple thing that I don't understand... Why are you only trying on HB5-6? If you're afraid of 9-10s then you should start opening them RIGHT NOW. Not in the future. That is, how you are going to make progress. Anyways... I don't really like this point system either. You're classifying the girls by their looks on a rather specific scale. And by this, you already place 9s and 10s a little bit above you because those are the 'perfect' ones aren't they? Try the two category system that I use: 1) I don't want to get to know her. 2) I want to get to know her. Another thing is... how hot a chick is is not even nearly always how big her self esteem is. And now to anser your question if I haven't already... You CAN be too independendt which WILL turn off any girl with a low self-esteem. This is something that you will learn only by calibration so there is little we can do for you. Just practise!

Author:	pleasureseeker [ Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:59 pm ]
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you compliment her in a way that's unique and mysterious and she has to think about what your actually saying, you know there's this unique glow that comes across from your essence.... bullshit like that ( If she's below a 10, or you've already established some attraction)

Author:	ASX [ Sun Aug 28, 2011 11:24 pm ]
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Not sure why you'd want to target only 5's and 6's, but hey, if that's what floats your boat... Anyway, you know how sometimes you see a girl who doesn't realise how good-looking she is, so she hangs out with friends and has boyfriends who are, in fact, way too ugly for her? Try that approach for yourself. It's gonna go against your nature if you're into PUA, but you actually have to do some DLV'ing to get her to believe you're a clueless hottie. Lose most of your social-proofing ("He has all these great friends but he's still hanging out with me? Something's wrong) and stay the fuck away from negging. Establish yourself as someone who never really got people and as a result never cared much for them as well. Uglier, or let's just say lesser-looking, girls have this feeling as well to self-correct the amounts of rejection they will have probably faced in their life. If you get a convo like that going, try fishing for some of her quirky habits and confess you love the same things, unless they're so quirky you can't bluff your way through that. They'll melt, if only that they know this is the best they'll ever do. The "5's who think they're 8'" are something I don't believe in. No girl overestimates her looks. Those are methods for them to compensate in a way for them not making the standards set by us. It's just a small shell which can easily be cracked if you pretend opening yourself up in the way I said. I know you're probably gaming lesser girls because you feel you don't have the game for hotter ones, so my advice may never be used. I'm just tired of hearing so many PUA's say their game is too good for ugly girls. It isn't, there are ways, I've shown it. As for you - start opening only girls you'd want to marry. It isn't a matter of starting small and building your game up gradually. Like I've shown, the game's entirely different in that segment, and you'll risk mutilating your game by specializing only in 5's because you'll end up with the wrong techniques and attitude.

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Author:	Andres_Moreno [ Mon Aug 29, 2011 5:38 pm ]
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Well, I don't really get the whole "I only pick up 5s and 6s" thing, but whatever. I recommend that you go at least for 7s, though. You can have a lot of fun there and learn a lot, too. It is vitally important that you calibrate your game. The hotter the girl, the more liberal on negs you can be. My game is not heavy on negs, however, not even with the real hot ones. I just try to be playful and tease her. That works for all of them. I take David deAngelo as my primary source. As for your game, if you insist on gaming 5s, keep it light and avoid boring topics like "where did you grow up" or "what do you do for a living" unless you have something funny to say. Tease her, but not in an offensive way. You can also buy her a drink - she'll appreciate it. Those girls do not have 15 guys a day hitting on them. Having some attention flatters them, unlike the hotties.

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