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Author:  enki [ Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:29 am ]
Post subject:  FC sister of a former friend: how to reframe?

well I met this couple at the same time and shared some common interest with this guy, so we hung out regularly and were engaged in our hobbies.
his sister was clearly attracted to me from the very first moment and we were always in flirty mood and we also developed an even more mature (she's kinda older than him) friendship, but always funny and teasy. she was very supportive of the shared hobby I had with her brother but also clearly involved herself because she enjoyed being around me (on occasion ppl told me even she appeared kinda submissive and turned on towards me, which I also felt)
now the particular hobby and in general relations to other guys are, of course, genuine interests which are not to be compromised for a woman. she was aware of this but it kinda DHVed me and attracted her on a somewhat steady level. also she began to share that she is very sexual and is not afraid of getting what it takes to have it fulfilled by means of casual sex and fuck buddies and she suggestively explained her attraction to me that the men in her age and above aren't as playful as she would have wished.
now at this point the brother noticed it and turned out to be massively AFCish by telling me that his sister and me would make a great couple and proposing to hook us up. he seemed so concerned about the men in her life only wanting to fuck her resp. using her and there was no way he could get the concept of her having a personality and not wanting men to have too much influence on her life. turns out he has no idea about women, practically no experience and a heap of problems of his own from which distracts by seeing problems in his sisters life. he is so far out that this sets such a strong frame that of course any further flirtyness with her was impossible. i was disgusted at how he could interpret and react to it.
well this and several more occasions on which he let me down made me deny my friendship. his sister is aware of his lame behaviour because he also has some disrespect in women making him treat his older sister like a child.
she is so cool and caring that she surprisingly showed up at my place and wanted to reassure that i wasn't too disappointed. she was really concerned and valued my genuine interest i had and she hugged me big time. I expressed that there was no big harm done and that i somehow was glad anyway. but this moment was so personal that i felt i'd destroy all the genuinity if i'd push through that we should have gone for each other. however i managed to tell her that we should hang out sometime which we did. we were very comfortable and had a lot of fun during a city tour. i had resparked the attraction even getting her to start kino on me. I would have wanted to bed her at my place but it felt slightly awkward at the moment she usually dropped me at my place and i hesitated. she was driving us many times and even was several times at my place, but this time it would clearly have been to have sex and i should have made myself more familiar and at ease with this intent. i should have been more sexual and ramped it up until this point and it would have been no problem.
I called her another time but i was too casual and indirect and aroused her suspicion, because i asked her somehow in a manner from back then with her brother (i should have clearly reframed everything?). the call ended with her asking if she could trust me and i answered that this is up for her to decide (i did not want to appear that i feel the need to convince her of my trustworthyness, because we both should know that i am very trustworthy, however on the other side its somewhat flimsy to have her decide on something).
now i figure that she'd appreciate some honesty and that i should soon clear things by a more direct approach. i figure i would need to have her out on clearly a "date date" not a "friend date". would i need to make up somehow for the previous phone attempt? it bugs me that i invested almost a day without getting it on and that this perhaps also left the impression of me not having that determined sexual manlyness i'd like to give her. it is so touchy for me to get it sorted out at this point as she deserves truth on one side but i should not appear too sincere, wanting it too much, so it should be somewhat playful, funny?

Author:  enki [ Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:26 pm ]
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fuck, now it just came to my mind that all indications are set that the brother is playing mind games àla AMOG/cockblock:

he is imposing the frame that i'm just as AFC as him trying to chase her for an exclusive relationship
FUCKER!

he told me: "she clearly likes you and you would be a nice guy for her, she needs someone that takes care of her"
he prolly told her: "he's in love with you blahlalalala"


:-((((((((((

fuck, this is powerful, its getting psycho at times (he is a psycho)

what can i do here? i really need advice
how to go against such deliberate manipulation? its discriminating to her!!

Author:  Conker [ Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:48 am ]
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If you know she's aware of his weirdness, you should mention it, and bring it out in the open so you both know where you both stand on this issue.

And pretty soon after that (probably in same conversation) you should guide the convo to what you both want. Eg. ask "Do you like being single?" that will start a discussion. If she talks about how much she likes her freedom but still flirts with you, then she's either telling you what you want to hear because she likes you, or she really does like her freedom and just wants to sleep with you for now. Either way you know where you stand. If she talks about how much she loves relationships and always having someone around, you should still honestly say how you feel about your situation, even if you are going to talk about how much you like being single.

Once you know where you both stand, and you both still want to see each other, then it will be no problem for you to both find ways of meeting up with the mutual understanding that you're trying to freeze this other annoying guy out of the equation.

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