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| Author: | JKill5 [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 2:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | LMR, and the Freeze out I tried did NOT work. Advice Please |
so this girl (HB9) I just met two weeks ago through my former roommate (also a girl, HB7) has been in town for the past two weeks and we have been hanging out friday and saturday nights, since i work during the week. We hit it off from the start and my game has been great. I am confident (she said she loves my confidence) I did not convey my interest too early, I kino escalated, I kiss closed on our 2nd night together, and my former roommate, - who i think is jealous - cockblocked me twice. So this past weekend (saturday night to be exact) we had a party at which she was in attendance. This girl is smoking hot and was getting hit on all day by other guys. I chatted with her and flirted with her all day throughout the party but I was also very social with other women there and gave her some space when she was approached by other men, so as not to seem needy. This all went very well and at the end of the night we retired to my bedroom together. Typical make-out me feeling her up - things are moving along nicely. Then, I go for the panties. I get my hand down there and she grabs it and says "I dont wanna waste your time and lead you on - I'm a good girl and don't sleep with someone I've only known for 2 weeks" (plus she JUST got out of a long 2 year relationship in which she lived with her ex-bf). So, at this point, I attempt a freeze out that has worked for me a few times before and led to F-close. I say "I totally understand, not a problem. let's just chill and watch a movie or something." (mystery freeze out). Then, Nothing. She just wants to Cuddle and chat and we kiss a little bit more but I could tell she wasn't gonna budge. Now according to Mystery, and I agree, You need to make a woman think you are gonna stick around in order to get her comfortable with the idea of having sex with you. BUt, in our situation, that is not possible because she is going back home (to another state) in a few days, so the fact that I could "stick around" is a moot point because she will only see me once or twice again anyway. So in my situation, what would you have done differently? Usually the woman re-initiates after a freeze out, but with her it just didn't work. She was practically infatuated with me the past two weeks saying she thought I was sexy and someone she would date if she lived here and how she wanted to sleep with me and cook me breakfast the next day and blah blah blah. She did stay the night and thanked me the next day for making her trip worthwhile. I may have another shot at this before she leaves so some good advice is appreciated. Sorry for the length of this but it is necessary to give all the details in order to get useful advice. |
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| Author: | minsok [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 7:34 am ] |
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Crap. High pressure. Those are hard to work with, you know? Bullshit she doesn't sleep with someone she's known for two weeks. The timeframe is garbage. She'd sleep with a guy she knew for an hour if she wanted to. I find the key to beating LMR is arousal. When a girl is genuinely in the heat of the moment, morality and reason totally go out the window. The reason she stopped you where she stopped you is because that is her weak point, it would have been much harder to say no when she's that turned on. You have to focus on arousing her. Pull out every trick in the book, keep things very casual. Tell her you just want to play with her, or you'll leave her panties on (for now). Emphasize that this is nothing serious, in fact, since she's leaving the state, sex with you wouldn't even really count, now would it? I've never had to use a freeze out, but I can tell you you did it wrong. You made it sound like you were totally okay with her decision and agreed with her and just wanted to watch a movie instead. For a freeze out, you arouse her and get her to the point of LMR. Try a couple times and if it's unbreakable, you're supposed to just get up and do something else, without her. Ideally, she'll whine for your attention, but if there's not enough arousal, she'll just think you're being a dick and leave. If all else fails, you deserve some consolation head. Doesn't count as sex and will take off your unbearable sexual pressure. It sounds like she would have been willing to do that for you at least (giving head also arouses most women, she might end up wanting to be touched and have sex). Our prayers are with you, brah. |
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| Author: | funkster [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:15 am ] |
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good post ^^^^^ |
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| Author: | JKill5 [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 2:20 pm ] |
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yes that is a very good post, thank you for the good advice. how do you recommend building more arousal? i am usually very quick witted in the bedroom and talking game at her is not a problem.. sometimes building the physical arousal is a little tricky. Any ideas or techniques to build arousal to a point where she wants to come back if i freezer her out? |
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| Author: | minsok [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 3:36 pm ] |
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Building arousal is something you learn with experience and it's much easier to do it physically than any other way. I've never met a girl that doesn't like being bitten on the neck, especially the back. If she lets you have her tits, you'll want to focus on the nipples and listen to how she responds. Some girls are more sensitive than others and like it when you run your fingernails over her nipples from pinky to forefinger, some girls like having their nipples bitten, licking is a pretty safe bet. Stroking her stomach and ass usually helps out because these are places she associates with sex because that's the only time they get stimulated. When you kiss, lick the opening of her lips like it's oral sex. One girl I was with practically creamed when I licked her armpit (yeah, I have no shame). I could go on and on. Yeah, really, you have to pay attention to the girl and when she makes her little noises. If she's totally silent, she doesn't like what you're doing. If she gasps or something, I like to just growl, "Good?" or "Right there?" in her ear to make sure I didn't just tickle her or something. This is also good because it opens up dialogue and encourages her to tell you when you do something she likes. Just be relaxed with it, when I'm in this mode, I prefer to have the girl on her back with me laying on my side next to her; this gives you good access to all of her. It's also a turn on if you climb on her and sort of simulate sex. I like to have her on her stomach for that because it makes me seem even more dominant. If you're totally lost, ask her what she likes. Girls sometimes like to train a guy and she might even open up more for you. Talk to her and drop a compliment every now and then, it helps the intimacy. Just don't talk too much, that kills the mood; you don't want her to be thinking at all. Whew, really this shit doesn't miss. |
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