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It's all about escalation, my friend.

It's the most valuable tool in pickup. Learn it and use it.

Google the Vin DiCarlo escalation guide and follow it the next time you're out. Practice and see how far you can get.

Your buddies are able to make out with new girls after 15 mins because they're going from brushing to touching to petting to grabbing to kissing. They're escalating... Slowly - bit by bit. After 15 mins the kiss doesn't seem so sudden because they're already practically groping each other.

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Fuck the escalation ladder. Here is a valuable tool where you can think more and make things more complicated for yourself in-field.

Kissing girls at a party is dumb. Don't do it. Work the crowd grab numbers, let your friends make out with girls in 15 minutes. That doesn't matter. Focus on pulling and isolating girls.

Why collect all the pawns in chess when you can go straight for check mate? Kissing girls won't increase your odds for sex with her at a party or in a nightclub.

If you insist on kissing girls and becoming good at doing it quickly then kino, kino and ramp up the kino. You don't need a ladder to do this, but will learn through experience.

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Welcome to the forum, BTW.

ALL your buddies must be closing from zero to 100 (IE: Hi, I'm Mike. Want to fuck?) if there's no escalation.

He may not need the ladder, but you can't have sex with a girl without some kind of escalation. What's easier? Explaining kino and escalation to him, or telling him to go find an escalation guide?
Also - he was asking about kissing. Specifically.

You're kind of all over the place with this

...but the part that bothers me most is "Work the crowd and grab numbers". That, IMO, is the biggest time waster in night game. It's a good way to ensure flakes though.

What OP should be doing is finding out how his friends are getting makeouts in 15 minutes and modeling himself after that and then taking it a step further to bounce them back to his or her place.

Welcome to the forum, BTW.

How? What I said was to do what gets results. If you have game, at least one out of 5 numbers shouldn't be a flake. Take one home and get 5 numbers.

You do this with the girls who aren't ready to go home with you. They have bad logistics or are not dtf, but they are into you, just not down to go all the way that night. How do you know this? Field experience.

This is a valuable skill and he should learn it, but it is flash game. It looks cool as hell and makes you feel like a pimp, but doesn't really do much the close that matters.

Don't kiss and work the crowd for numbers. Now you're saying get numbers and take one home. You have far better chance of taking a girl home if a kiss happens. It's all over the place.

Which you failed to mention in your response. Your field experience doesn't translate well

You're my favorite type of new poster. Show up as an expert and spouts nonsensical answers and then has to rewrite them to actually attempt to make sense.

You really think you have a better chance of taking a girl home after kissing her? Knowledge of this comes from going out.

I say the same to the guy who thinks a k close in the venue is more likely to lead to an f close.

Try both Safro, see how it works for you. And everyone else on here.

One week try kissing every girl you can in the venue.

The next week, don't kiss her until you have her back in the seduction location.

Let's see what works better. I have tried both and know what works for me, but let's see. One of the other reasons you don't kiss her in public is because of discretion, guess I'm still holding out on you

. The natural knows not to let the friends and others see who he plans on seducing, I'll let you disagree before I elaborate more.

Thanks, I thought I'd come in with a bang. Let the forum moderators know that if they have bullshit advise, I'll challenge it.

Author:	Safro [ Fri Jun 12, 2015 2:28 am ]
Post subject:	Kclose???
Everytime I go to parties I meet a lot of girls. Usually I just smile at them and they come to talk with me or I might just go myself and talk with them... I don't really care, I don't have anxiety approach or something like that... I think I am pretty good at making a good first impression, because usually the second time I meet a person they are all coming to hug me and are excited to see me ( including guys lmao)... Unless she is a total stuck up bitch, I can usually end up by taking a girl's number... But my question is, how do I escalate to end up with kclose in the first night? I have friends who meet a girl and 10-15 min later they are making out... I guess a big problem of mine is the lack of experience because I'm kinda new to the "night game", I prefer to sit somewhere and have a conversation with a girl... But how should I work with my night game? And I don't mean how to start, that's easy, I'm talking about mid-game and closing

Author:	CharlesFinley [ Fri Jun 12, 2015 2:33 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Kclose???
It's all about escalation, my friend. It's the most valuable tool in pickup. Learn it and use it. Google the Vin DiCarlo escalation guide and follow it the next time you're out. Practice and see how far you can get. Your buddies are able to make out with new girls after 15 mins because they're going from brushing to touching to petting to grabbing to kissing. They're escalating... Slowly - bit by bit. After 15 mins the kiss doesn't seem so sudden because they're already practically groping each other.

Author:	DW-Heart-Charmer [ Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:15 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Kclose???
Quote: It's all about escalation, my friend. It's the most valuable tool in pickup. Learn it and use it. Google the Vin DiCarlo escalation guide and follow it the next time you're out. Practice and see how far you can get. Your buddies are able to make out with new girls after 15 mins because they're going from brushing to touching to petting to grabbing to kissing. They're escalating... Slowly - bit by bit. After 15 mins the kiss doesn't seem so sudden because they're already practically groping each other. Fuck the escalation ladder. Here is a valuable tool where you can think more and make things more complicated for yourself in-field. Kissing girls at a party is dumb. Don't do it. Work the crowd grab numbers, let your friends make out with girls in 15 minutes. That doesn't matter. Focus on pulling and isolating girls. Why collect all the pawns in chess when you can go straight for check mate? Kissing girls won't increase your odds for sex with her at a party or in a nightclub. If you insist on kissing girls and becoming good at doing it quickly then kino, kino and ramp up the kino. You don't need a ladder to do this, but will learn through experience.

Author:	CharlesFinley [ Mon Jul 20, 2015 3:11 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Kclose???
Quote: Quote: It's all about escalation, my friend. It's the most valuable tool in pickup. Learn it and use it. Google the Vin DiCarlo escalation guide and follow it the next time you're out. Practice and see how far you can get. Your buddies are able to make out with new girls after 15 mins because they're going from brushing to touching to petting to grabbing to kissing. They're escalating... Slowly - bit by bit. After 15 mins the kiss doesn't seem so sudden because they're already practically groping each other. Fuck the escalation ladder. Here is a valuable tool where you can think more and make things more complicated for yourself in-field. Kissing girls at a party is dumb. Don't do it. Work the crowd grab numbers, let your friends make out with girls in 15 minutes. That doesn't matter. Focus on pulling and isolating girls. Why collect all the pawns in chess when you can go straight for check mate? Kissing girls won't increase your odds for sex with her at a party or in a nightclub. If you insist on kissing girls and becoming good at doing it quickly then kino, kino and ramp up the kino. You don't need a ladder to do this, but will learn through experience. Welcome to the forum, BTW. ALL your buddies must be closing from zero to 100 (IE: Hi, I'm Mike. Want to fuck?) if there's no escalation. He may not need the ladder, but you can't have sex with a girl without some kind of escalation. What's easier? Explaining kino and escalation to him, or telling him to go find an escalation guide? Also - he was asking about kissing. Specifically.

Author:	Dragula [ Mon Jul 20, 2015 4:00 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Kclose???
Sounds like a job for the good old cold approach-aroo. Have a few weekends hitting the clubs hard with the sole purpose of getting physical with girls and really push the escalation boundaries until it really puts some hair on your chest (This should be pretty easy since you say that you make a great 1st impression so you must have the fundamentals) Then go back to your house parties armed with some new skills that your friends could never have the balls to emulate with girls and you reap the benefits.

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Author:	JackZero [ Mon Jul 20, 2015 4:56 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Kclose???
Quote: Quote: It's all about escalation, my friend. It's the most valuable tool in pickup. Learn it and use it. Google the Vin DiCarlo escalation guide and follow it the next time you're out. Practice and see how far you can get. Your buddies are able to make out with new girls after 15 mins because they're going from brushing to touching to petting to grabbing to kissing. They're escalating... Slowly - bit by bit. After 15 mins the kiss doesn't seem so sudden because they're already practically groping each other. Fuck the escalation ladder. Here is a valuable tool where you can think more and make things more complicated for yourself in-field. Kissing girls at a party is dumb. Don't do it. Work the crowd grab numbers, let your friends make out with girls in 15 minutes. That doesn't matter. Focus on pulling and isolating girls. Why collect all the pawns in chess when you can go straight for check mate? Kissing girls won't increase your odds for sex with her at a party or in a nightclub. If you insist on kissing girls and becoming good at doing it quickly then kino, kino and ramp up the kino. You don't need a ladder to do this, but will learn through experience. You're kind of all over the place with this...but the part that bothers me most is "Work the crowd and grab numbers". That, IMO, is the biggest time waster in night game. It's a good way to ensure flakes though. What OP should be doing is finding out how his friends are getting makeouts in 15 minutes and modeling himself after that and then taking it a step further to bounce them back to his or her place. OP - Do read the Vin DiCarlo escalation guide so you have a foundation and it'll make it so it's easier to learn from experience.

Author:	DW-Heart-Charmer [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:18 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Kclose???
Quote: Welcome to the forum, BTW. ALL your buddies must be closing from zero to 100 (IE: Hi, I'm Mike. Want to fuck?) if there's no escalation. He may not need the ladder, but you can't have sex with a girl without some kind of escalation. What's easier? Explaining kino and escalation to him, or telling him to go find an escalation guide? Also - he was asking about kissing. Specifically. The escalation ladder was important back in the day, most of the time however it confuses people and gets them trapped in their heads. Not where you want to be while kino escalating! Not sure why you bring up my buddies. That has zero relevance here and "Hi I'm Mike, let's fuck" has even less to do with this conversation. They escalation in is in her wanting you touch her. If you go in close like you are going to kiss her and then push her away that is where the sexual tension is. Quote: You're kind of all over the place with this How? What I said was to do what gets results. If you have game, at least one out of 5 numbers shouldn't be a flake. Take one home and get 5 numbers. Quote: ...but the part that bothers me most is "Work the crowd and grab numbers". That, IMO, is the biggest time waster in night game. It's a good way to ensure flakes though. You do this with the girls who aren't ready to go home with you. They have bad logistics or are not dtf, but they are into you, just not down to go all the way that night. How do you know this? Field experience. Quote: What OP should be doing is finding out how his friends are getting makeouts in 15 minutes and modeling himself after that and then taking it a step further to bounce them back to his or her place. This is a valuable skill and he should learn it, but it is flash game. It looks cool as hell and makes you feel like a pimp, but doesn't really do much the close that matters. Quote: Welcome to the forum, BTW. Thanks, I thought I'd come in with a bang. Let the forum moderators know that if they have bullshit advise, I'll challenge it.

Author:	JackZero [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:09 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Kclose???
Quote: How? What I said was to do what gets results. If you have game, at least one out of 5 numbers shouldn't be a flake. Take one home and get 5 numbers. Don't kiss and work the crowd for numbers. Now you're saying get numbers and take one home. You have far better chance of taking a girl home if a kiss happens. It's all over the place. Quote: You do this with the girls who aren't ready to go home with you. They have bad logistics or are not dtf, but they are into you, just not down to go all the way that night. How do you know this? Field experience. Which you failed to mention in your response. Your field experience doesn't translate well Quote: This is a valuable skill and he should learn it, but it is flash game. It looks cool as hell and makes you feel like a pimp, but doesn't really do much the close that matters. Why should he learn it if it doesn't do much? Oh, I see...its the close that matters, which I originally said. You're my favorite type of new poster. Show up as an expert and spouts nonsensical answers and then has to rewrite them to actually attempt to make sense.

Author:	JackZero [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:29 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Kclose???
Quote: You really think you have a better chance of taking a girl home after kissing her? Knowledge of this comes from going out. Definitely. It is more effective than just kino. It also ensures that she knows why she's going home with you. Quote: I say the same to the guy who thinks a k close in the venue is more likely to lead to an f close. You'd purposely fail to mention things? Odd way to wing, but okay.

Author:	JackZero [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:01 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Kclose???
Quote: Try both Safro, see how it works for you. And everyone else on here. One week try kissing every girl you can in the venue. The next week, don't kiss her until you have her back in the seduction location. Let's see what works better. I have tried both and know what works for me, but let's see. One of the other reasons you don't kiss her in public is because of discretion, guess I'm still holding out on you . The natural knows not to let the friends and others see who he plans on seducing, I'll let you disagree before I elaborate more. Best thing you've said other than disregarding everyone else and calling other experienced guys advice bullshit. One thing that you'll eventually learn is that your game doesn't work for everyone and someone else's may not work for you. The key is developing your foundations and having a solid reason for your actions. Since you are not willing to elaborate on your reasons now, its probably better for the OP to get a foundation from proven people who have taken time to write it out so he has a real foundation to work with.

Author:	Dragula [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:07 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Kclose???
DW-heart-charmer- why are you just being so argumentative and close minded? It's not like anybody is wrong on this thread...you seem to think that skinning cats your way is the only way... From my experience I have gotten chicks in my bed without AND with kissing. but the OP is clearly inexperienced, don't you perhaps think to be on the safe side, he should go for the kiss? Just incase the girl takes it as a signal that he doesn't like her... To me, it seems like the OP could be in dancing monkey, funny man mode which I am sure you will agree is a common problem. I highly doubt she will froth at her vagina if suddenly doesn't go for the kiss. He should get more physical like his friends and less social. That is what Charlesfin was aiming at with his advice.

Author:	R.C [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 7:54 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Kclose???
I WON THE LOTTERY AND THATS HOW I GOT RICH AND THAT HOW EVERYONE SHOULD GET RICH AND ANYONE WHO SAYS ANY DIFFERENTLY IS AN IDIOT. Dear god what a keyboard warrior. Yes OP, work the crowd. Night game is all about getting numbers from drunk girls that most likely won't even remember their own name at the end of the night, let alone your face. Then proceed spending the next day plowing through the flakes. I don't understand how some people can say the stupidest shit you ever hear as if it was the most genius phrase ever to leave their mouth. /rant over OP, listen to the guys that know what they're talking about. Which is pretty much everyone in this thread except our new fake alpha over here.

Author:	CharlesFinley [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:59 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Kclose???
Quote: Thanks, I thought I'd come in with a bang. Let the forum moderators know that if they have bullshit advise, I'll challenge it. Yes, your expertise is really shining through.

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