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Author:  bounty_killa [ Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:27 pm ]
Post subject:  FIRST TIME facing lmr, and defeated by it
Hey guys, so this HB7 comes over to my place (she knows I'm a virgin) and we chat a bit. Then she lies on my bed and invites me to lay next to her. Then I ask her to rub my back and she does. After some resistance I get to massage her head(she has a headache) and I sit on her while she lays on her back. All this while she's moaning and saying how I'm turning her on etc. So I lean in and whisper "do you want me to kiss you?" She's thinking so I say "well I wasn't asking" and I lean in to kiss her. I met a pair of unresponsive lips. She says "lets hug" so I lean back and say "I know you want this as much as I do" and then "it just feels so right". But neither line worked.

So I tried a hard freeze out, got up, flipped on the light and sat checking my email. Doesn't work either. She gets up and chats for a bit and I let her out. Wasn't as awkward as i thought it would be.

But wtf really went on here. In my mind these signals were strong as fuck. The only thing I could think of is when she asked me if I'm still a virgin on the bed. I fucked up and answered affirmatively. :/ This is uncharted territory for me.
Author:  Monsignor Crisanto [ Wed Mar 21, 2012 9:12 pm ]
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First off brother, the indicators of consent are very high. She comes over to your place instead of you inviting her or bringing her there. Then she lies on your bed. It's a fuck close alright.

Second, what went wrong:

"Do you want me to kiss you?" works outside of the fuck area like clubs, restaurants or anything public where you haven't isolated her to a place where you two are the only people in there.

Third, what you should do next time:

If a girl does those indicators of consent again, just kiss her and don't ask. Make out heavily to turn her on and make her wet. When she's wet and she won't allow you to fuck close, that's the only time that you should use LMR routines.

Before you do the LMR routines when she's already wet, try this:
  • 1. Pin both of her wrists down the bed to show your dominance. This will amplify her wetness and desire to have you inside her. As long as she doesn't struggle but submits weakly, then...

    2. Bring your tongue just above her crotch and right below her navel. Flick your tongue here and there while still pinning her down on her wrists.

    3. Rise up. Don't get out of bed. Take off your pin and say, "Take off your pants."
You might not need the LMR routines with this technique. :twisted:
Author:  Slip n Slide [ Wed Mar 21, 2012 9:38 pm ]
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Hellhound's right, but its also helpful to understand the interaction and how to attack it, so that your closes can be unique, instead of following a formula.

In a massage-type situation, especially when she's on her back, there's no need to kiss her. It was probably somewhat of an awkward kiss, with her face against the bed.

You should have started rubbing her thighs and ass and kissed the back of her neck. Then you rise up slightly to give her room and say "Roll over."

When she does, move in on top of her and kiss her lips. Now you are lying on top of her making out. Easy escalation.

There is a rhythm to every girl for how fast she wants to escalate to sex. You can't expect to hit it perfectly right away but keep it in mind. For example, don't jump your hand into her vag without teasing a little first, and using some outside of clothing massage. Also don't go too slow, continue to give her new sensations to think about, but it doesn't always need to be heavier and more intense.
Author:  bounty_killa [ Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:39 pm ]
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Hellohound and Slip n Slide, thanks for the elaborate replies.
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It was probably somewhat of an awkward kiss, with her face against the bed.
No she was on her back. I was sort of resting on her stomach and leaning forward to massage her head (she was getting a good view of my boner from there). But what was driving me crazy was the fact that throughout the massage she was moaning and squeezing the inside of my thighs, even feeling my abs.

I did this for about 5 minutes, which in retrospect was probably too short. And asking to kiss killed the tension.
Author:  Slip n Slide [ Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:45 pm ]
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No she was on her back. I was sort of resting on her stomach and leaning forward to massage her head (she was getting a good view of my boner from there). But what was driving me crazy was the fact that throughout the massage she was moaning and squeezing the inside of my thighs, even feeling my abs.

I did this for about 5 minutes, which in retrospect was probably too short. And asking to kiss killed the tension.
Well that's different than what I pictured. Seems to me like you stopped too early. Should have kept kissing her, neck or collarbone instead of lips if she wasn't responsive. When she said "Let's hug" you could have done it and started rubbing under her shirt, moving up to her breasts. You gave up too early.

But I think it's over now, at least for a while. Chalk it up to a mistake and move on.
Author:  bounty_killa [ Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:23 am ]
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Well that's different than what I pictured. Seems to me like you stopped too early. Should have kept kissing her, neck or collarbone instead of lips if she wasn't responsive. When she said "Let's hug" you could have done it and started rubbing under her shirt, moving up to her breasts. You gave up too early.

But I think it's over now, at least for a while. Chalk it up to a mistake and move on.
Ok I see. But when do you use the freezeout technique. Most of the people I've told this story too responded with "Whoa wtf so you just left her on your bed? You should have at least lay with her a little" :S
Author:  doclift [ Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:03 pm ]
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The only time you should ever outright lie to a woman while playing the game is if she asks you how many women you've had sex with. This rule apples whether you've laid 0 women or 100. Find a suitable line to deflect the question and commit it to memory.

A direct freeze out like you did should only be used if she stops you right before actual sex. If she gives you any physical resistance during foreplay, you just roll off and start talking about something else. Wait a few minutes and then try again. If it's verbal resistance, then you agree "you're right, this is bad. We totally shouldn't be doing this."

Avoid using that line, "I know you want this as much as I do." It's needy.

I agree with Slip n Slide, you gave up way too early. Brush it off and be grateful that you had the opportunity to learn from your failure. I promise that you'll remember to not use a kiss routine in bed or to be sure to stick it out in the interaction for the rest of your life.
Author:  RetiredRodeo [ Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:46 pm ]
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when you're on top like this... move to your legs inside of hers... if she accepts you in this position - she's already mentally picturing you inside of her - and that is assumed-confirmation, act accordingly. Immediately grind against her.

The rest is elementary from there.
Author:  bounty_killa [ Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:45 am ]
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Ah, if I knew these things from before. This is the second time I failed with her, except the first I asked her if she had feelings for me because I was confused, and thought feelings+sex go together.

Unlikely to get a third crack at it. :x
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