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Author:  Gearoidx [ Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:22 pm ]
Post subject:  k-closing and f-closing
So i was with a HB7 in a bar with her friends the last day.
I used Style's gambit about is kissing cheating and it came off. We had good kino escalation,rapport, and we were seriously vibing.

We head back upto her friends apartment where im with her and her friends for like 2 hours, unable to excalate, i was afraid the sexual vibe would die off, but she asked me to walk her home so I figured it was still on.

When we got back upto her place several roommates came in and I couldnt isolate her again. By the time they all left i was sitting on the couch with her and had number closed her but once I got to that point I realised I had no idea how to actually k-close or f-close.

I might meet this girl again, and dont want it to finish like last time.

Can you guys please tell me how i actually go in for the k-close and then onto the f-close???
Author:  Gearoidx [ Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:26 pm ]
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seriously?150 views and no one has any ideas? i do need help on this :?
Author:  Andres_Moreno [ Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:29 am ]
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I don't think that you will appreciate my answer too much, but this is how I actually feel about these kind of things... I believe that this PUA stuff is overrated. Guys think that they can learn a new routine and BAM, just like that a problem is solved. Don't get me wrong, reading the books and watching the videos has helped me tremendously, but I also believe in the "natural", routine-free game.

My point here is - rely less on what guys advise you to do and more on your guts. Do you feel that the girl is into you? Then hold her hand, play with her hair and lean in to kiss her. Things will escalate. If not, just relax, joke around a little and talk to her.

Routines are cool at the very beginning, when you don't know the person and need something to have their attention. Later on you just need the attitude. And when it comes to f-closing, the only thing you need is to relax ;-)
Author:  stefangreyman [ Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:02 pm ]
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Quote:
My point here is - rely less on what guys advise you to do and more on your guts. Do you feel that the girl is into you? Then hold her hand, play with her hair and lean in to kiss her. Things will escalate. If not, just relax, joke around a little and talk to her.

Routines are cool at the very beginning, when you don't know the person and need something to have their attention. Later on you just need the attitude. And when it comes to f-closing, the only thing you need is to relax ;-)
I am going to disagree with Andres, to an extent at least, "closing" is a skill like any other. Of course relaxing will help, as long as that doesn't involve 4 or 5 drinks--at which point you won't remember the fuck well enough for it to matter anyway. I do agree that "routines"--as in the apparatus of words, becomes somewhat less important from the touch to orgasm phase, but that doesn't make it "natural".

There is nothing "natural" about reaching over and brushing the hair out of her eyes. It is a highly artificial gesture--a symbolic gesture. And that is a good thing. she will understand. Similarly brushing the back of your hand against her arm, tracing your fingers up to her shoulder, along the line of her neck to her lips.

There is nothing natural about patting your lap, inviting her to sit on it.

Leaning your head slightly to the side, letting your gaze relax, let yourself look at her like you want her.

It is a game of escalation in which going too slowly can be as counter-productive as going too quickly. The key here is just to pay attention: if she is responding to you, if she is not saying no verbally or pushing you away, you keep escalating, you touch her more intimately, you move your the hand over her pubic mound and rub in circles, increasing the pressure as she responds. You start to remove her clothes...

The rest is also a skill set, but I'll leave it to you to practice on your own.
Author:  Simbachippie [ Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:42 pm ]
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i think also that you possibly you were scared, she stayed with you that whole evening, waiting for people to leave sleep ect, you just needed to pull the trigger.

I know its not always easy but if you think about how much she had already invested in you that evening wouldnt it make sense to atleast try if you get rejected then atleast you will have no regrets.

you never know this could have been a LR rather than a question.

and i dont mean lunge at the women but if you were making great eye contact with her while you were talking the "moment" would have come. that time you think i should kiss her, you should have kissed her.
Author:  Andres_Moreno [ Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:02 pm ]
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Alright, I guess stefangreyman is right - closing is a skill set like any other. I just never thought of it like that. My greatest sticking point has always been the first approach. That's why I use routines - openers. Later on, like two hours into the interaction I hardly ever use (consciously) any PUA stuff. I just try to be cocky and funny and tease the girl like David DeAngelo teaches (but I don't use routines anymore, just work with whatever turns up).

As for the closing, you can definitely hone your skills too. But I think that it comes with experience rather than from books and videos. I honestly believe that the most important thing is to relax and not act like it's a big fucking deal. I have never tried to learn how to close, but who knows - I might be a fool not to do so, maybe it would improve f-close ratio :-)

Anyway, have fun, do whatever feels right and stay safe :-)
Author:  ryry [ Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:19 pm ]
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My k close routine which I think I made up very simple ....

Me: are you single ?
Her : yeah
Me: you know wheat that means right ?
Her : what
Me: it means we should get with each other
Her : blah blah


Me : kiss

Simple or I say

Have you ever spontaneously ever got with someone in this location then get with them
Author:  davidgukich [ Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:24 am ]
Post subject:  Closing can be just as tough as opening.
Since closing can be just as tough as opening I recommend approaching k close like you would an opener, either directly or indirectly. Indirectly could be used along the lines of the evolution phase shift or by asking curiously how good of a kisser are you on a scale of one to ten? Or even easier than that because it requires no material just courage is directly, don't be ashamed of your feelings and tell her straight up I feel like kissing you right now, boldness is definitely a turn on and as men it's our job to ask the woman these questions. By the time you feel that "should I kiss her feeling" the answer is yes.
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