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Author:  Dream Hunter [ Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:37 am ]
Post subject:  Scared of closing
I open many sets but I'm scared to close cuz I see that the girls are either trying to be nice or they never ask for my name or give me the IOIS that I need to see. Sometimes they give me those IOIs and giggle multiple times but they never give me their phone #. That's why I ask them and they say stupid shit that they can't give it away to me and if they do they never pick up and if they pick up I can't meet up with them. I can't hold on to a set for more than 15 minutes and If I do they get bored. Is it possible to talk to a woman for 5 to 10 minutes and get her to hang out with me some other time, or you have to keep blasting and gunning her with stacked routines for 30 minutes?
Author:  0uch [ Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:00 am ]
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You know what's a routine killer? Learning how to free associate. And of course, this requires good listening skills.
Author:  gabi4play [ Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Scared of closing
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I open many sets but I'm scared to close cuz I see that the girls are either trying to be nice or they never ask for my name or give me the IOIS that I need to see. Sometimes they give me those IOIs and giggle multiple times but they never give me their phone #. That's why I ask them and they say stupid shit that they can't give it away to me and if they do they never pick up and if they pick up I can't meet up with them. I can't hold on to a set for more than 15 minutes and If I do they get bored. Is it possible to talk to a woman for 5 to 10 minutes and get her to hang out with me some other time, or you have to keep blasting and gunning her with stacked routines for 30 minutes?
I don't think you are doing negs too much.And by the way,asking for her phone number is a DLV.All you need to do to close safe is to say something like this :

Hey listen there is this "insert event here" and my buddy ditched me saying he can't go , I'd like some company , and if you are interested , "give your phone to her to digit her numbers" i can take you with me.I gotta go , then close with her number in her phone.

I never got to close like this though ( Im an AFC ) but this is an advice I read through some other forums,and I believe it works.
Author:  anthonypham [ Sat Aug 13, 2011 11:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Scared of closing
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I open many sets but I'm scared to close cuz I see that the girls are either trying to be nice or they never ask for my name or give me the IOIS that I need to see. Sometimes they give me those IOIs and giggle multiple times but they never give me their phone #. That's why I ask them and they say stupid shit that they can't give it away to me and if they do they never pick up and if they pick up I can't meet up with them. I can't hold on to a set for more than 15 minutes and If I do they get bored. Is it possible to talk to a woman for 5 to 10 minutes and get her to hang out with me some other time, or you have to keep blasting and gunning her with stacked routines for 30 minutes?
Been there, done that :)

No worries mate, you are opening many sets already. You are in the right direction already.

If you open a set, be teasing/playful. Add some negs in your game. If you cannot hold a conversation for longer than 10 minutes, than your game is not solid enough.

Don't forget to kino!! Use a false-time-constraint ['Listen. I like this conversation and I am very interested in your story about '****'. But I got to go. How can we continue this good conversation?]

You let her propose how to stay in touch. Usually she will give her number or FB.
Then you leave! If you stay too long there, you will become needy.

When you left her, but still in the same venue, keep on seducing eye-contact. If she keeps looking back, then you can return to kiss-close her.
Author:  fearless123 [ Sat Aug 13, 2011 11:38 am ]
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Ask for the day 2 while you're there if you think you built enough comfort. Hell, I've gotten day 2's where I was in class with a girl and just walked up to her talked to her for a few minutes and said hey let's get coffee

They'll be shocked at first or even hesitant but if they have interest they probably will look at you funny and say ok well do you want my number?
Author:  Slip n Slide [ Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Scared of closing
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I open many sets but I'm scared to close cuz I see that the girls are either trying to be nice or they never ask for my name or give me the IOIS that I need to see. Sometimes they give me those IOIs and giggle multiple times but they never give me their phone #. That's why I ask them and they say stupid shit that they can't give it away to me and if they do they never pick up and if they pick up I can't meet up with them. I can't hold on to a set for more than 15 minutes and If I do they get bored. Is it possible to talk to a woman for 5 to 10 minutes and get her to hang out with me some other time, or you have to keep blasting and gunning her with stacked routines for 30 minutes?
Been there, done that :)

No worries mate, you are opening many sets already. You are in the right direction already.
You are definitely in the right direction. The more numbers you get, the more you'll realize how few of them go anywhere, but the easier it'll be to get them. Keep it up man, this is a great start.
Author:  Hawke91 [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:05 pm ]
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i think that Anthony summarized very well. what i'd recommend is to open, use routine(s) but not for the whole talking time, at some point you should just let the conversation flow and lead it on towards your liking from there, just doing material is why you run dry after 10 minutes and get uncomfortable. also, during the conversation, negs/kino work wonders and help to build the bridge. and finally, yeah, the line "i have to return to my friends but what steps can we take to continue this conversation", or the variations of it, is gold, especially when you get insecure, because not only it allows you to leave on good terms and on a high point of the conversation, it also allows to girl to give you her number without you asking for it directly.
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