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Author:	OCDANDMASTER [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:00 am ]
Post subject:	Park-Bench Opener
Hey, my name's Julian. I'm not a pick-up artist. However, I do have very severe OCD. About three years ago, I became obsessed with the concepts of dominance and submission, and how they are reflected through body language/vocal tone. My mind then analized virtually every single gesture, every single flit of the head or turn of the wrist or alternation in vocal tone in every person I saw. What I found was that the interactions between dominance and submission and body language is far more complex, varied, and elaborate than anyone in the world knows. Yes, I am the only person in the world who knows this stuff. I have checked, and scientists have only began to tap the surface of this information. I have no idea why no-one else has discovered it, because it's been around for millions of years. But I guess no-one has been blessed/cursed with OCD like me. In a short while, I plan to make a lot of money selling the info to the pick-up artist community. I'm not sure exactly how I am going to sell it, or if I am going to create a website or not, but that is the plan. So, here's my display of value: Park-Bench Opener You may be surprised to learn that you can go right up to a girl on a park-bench, and sit down next to her, without even saying a word. This is an extremely effective way to pick-up girls. You have to do it the right way of first. The main idea is that you just go to the park-bench and dominate the whole area, without even so much as interacting with the girl. It's easy to do, if you know how to do it. I'm gonna show you. First off, when you sit down do NOT say anything to her. If you say something to her, if you acknowledge her presence you will either come off as submissive or threatening. If you say something apologetic, like “I'm sorry miss, I really need to sit here, there is no other place to sit,” Then you come off as submissive and the game is over. On the other hand, if you say something like, “I'm sitting here. Now.” You come across as dominant, but you are threatening her territory, invading it. She is not attracted to you, but scared. When you sit down, you must not even look at her. Do not make eye contact. She will be looking at you of course, because someone new has entered her territory. If you glance at her, if you make eye contact, you will be acknowledging her presence. In a way you will be submitting to her. So, when you sit down, you must look away from her. But if you to look away in the RIGHT way. When you look away from her you need to look away slightly. If you look all the way away from her, you will be acknowledging her presence by avoiding her. More than that, you need to look away and UP. Do NOT look away and down. Anytime you look down that is a small act of submission. So, as you are sitting down, look away from up her slightly and up, with your chin pointed slightly up and out (though not so much that you look like an idiot of course). When you point your chin up and out, you are symbolizing that this is your territory and you will defend it if need be. However, since you are not pointing your implied aggression at her, but away from her, she will not feel threatened. Instead, she will feel respect for you. As you sit down, she will be looking at you, and you need to be looking away and up. However, and this is the most important part of this, once you sit down you need to start slowly pivoting your head back and forth. Dominant men survey their territory. Pivot it back and forth slowly, with your chin still pointed slightly up, but do NOT look at the girl yet. Stop your pivot right before the girl would enter your vision. Pretend there is a twin to that girl on the other side of view, and when you pivot that way, stop there too. Do this SLOWLY. This is VERY important. When you sit down, you need to sit down in a completely comfortable, dominant, but not over-dominant manner. Again this is hard to explain in just words, and I will have to draw some diagrams up, but I will do my best. You need to seem relaxed with your legs spread casually out, like you own the territory. Just how cool guys sit. You need to have your arms leaning against the side of the park-bench, like cool guys lean their arms. But again, you do not want to seem aggressive or tense at all. Because if you do, then you are implying that you are fighting for the territory, and she will feel threatened. Instead, what you want to seem is relaxed. Imagine that this is your territory, and she just happened to be sitting here, watching it for you. You can't be overdominant. Your display of dominance cannot be too great, you don't want to spread yourself out too far. You see guys doing this when you are trying to impress girls all the time. Making themselves really big. Like so many things, it has the inverse effect. If you need to make yourself really big, then you must not really be powerful. You must dominate the whole area, and not just the girl, What I mean by this is do not point your arm which is between you and the girl at her, or extend it in her direction anymore than your other arm is extending in the opposite direction. You see guys doing this all the time. They are sitting at one end of a park-bench, the girl is sitting at the other. They are looking away from her, to try and symbolize their non-interest, but their whole body is pointed at her in an aggressive display of dominance. The girl is shriveled up in the corner. She is scared. Do not sit in the middle of the bench. Respect her space. Sit as far away from her as you can, while still giving yourself enough space to be comfortable and spread out. In other words, sit pretty much on the other end of the bench. When you sit down, it is of vital importance that you sit taller than she is. Do NOT slump. This symbolizes submission. Keep your body erect and tall. However, make yourself relaxed at the same time, make your arms relaxed and your legs spread out in the dominant cool-guy stance. When you are sitting down, sigh a little bit. Give a weary, tired sigh. Dominant sigh when they sit down and stand up. When you sit down, rustle a little bit, shift your body this way and that, don't just sit down, make yourself comfortable, within reason of course. Dominant people are not afraid to make noise. If you do all this, and do it right. Then you will find that the girl will settle into submission after a few minutes. In a few minutes, your body's will become in rapport. She will almost curl up, she will point her feet towards you. She will be attracted to you and in rapport with you. Then you can use any goddam opener you please.

Author:	czar1 [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 2:53 am ]
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Can you write a manual on how to make a PBJ? I'd love to know how detailed it must be to take the crust off.

Author:	DaveUrkel (BlackWhitePU) [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:45 am ]
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Quote: In a short while, I plan to make a lot of money selling the info to the pick-up artist community. I'm not sure exactly how I am going to sell it, or if I am going to create a website or not, but that is the plan. Dude, I really hope you do NOT try to sell anything to people in the comunity. You will be doing to community a great disservice, becuase nobody will get laid more using tactics like this. No disrespect, but this type of stuff will only hinder people more. Especially the type of people who get into the community.

Author:	OCDANDMASTER [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:10 am ]
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Funny thing about people is they hate things which are new. Also, I feel like your value feels disrespected because I am not a pick-up artist in anyway, shape or form, yet I know exactly what to do to pick up girls. And yes, at some point I feel like I will sell this info to the community. Not here of course, and I am not a spammer, but at some point I do plan to. I see no reason why I shouldn't. A lot of PUA's sell things to the community, they sell good advice I am sure, but a lot of it is pretty similar; be confident, run some routines, establish emotional connections, that sort of thing. There is nothing wrong with that of course, but I see no reason why I can't also sell something. Honestly, I feel like what I am selling may have more value because it is completely new, and excellent information. This will get you laid, and I havn't even told you the good stuff yet. So yeah, I would appreciate it, if could hear something else, instead of this knee-jerk,-I-feel-my-value-had-been-disrespeted-because-this-non-PUA-knows-more-than-me-about-pick-up, type thing. In your lingo, you are testing my shit right now. I'm not even sure you realize it, but that is what you are doing. Do not try and test my shit, my friends, else you will find out is very real, very stinky, and far better than your shit. I am very smart, I have discovered something of great value, and I know it.

Author:	Luffy [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:47 am ]
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Well I'm not sure about those two but I enjoyed your reading this. Its opened my eyes to every little thing that a guy can do and what will result. Although I don't agree with all of it I will remember a few things.

Author:	DaveUrkel (BlackWhitePU) [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:44 am ]
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Whatever dude. I could care less whether you're a PuA or not. The bottom line is, this post was the epitome of overthinking things. And overthinking things is one of the biggest reasons most guys end up on forums like this. And you know what, maybe you could sell this shit and maybe people will buy it, because PUAs feel like they should know every little head turn and body movement to make, but like I said earlier, at the end of the day, it will not help them get laid. It will most likely only hinder them more. Most guys in the community are already hindered enough by overanalyzing whether they should go indirect or direct or whether they're value is high enough or whether it's the 'right' time to approach, and guess what? Overanalyzing that stuff HOLDS YOU BACK. it's a big reason why most guys who get into the community never get good. And I think it's insulting and disrespectful to the guys in the community to try to sell them something when you've never taught it to students and gotten them results from it. Guys who just come up with theory and can't get students any real results, but still feel the need to sell products are exactly what's wrong with community in the first place. It's the exact reason why guys get into this stuff and spin their wheels for years without seeing any real results. So instead of just trying to make a profit, you need to understand that these are real people who are genuinely trying to improve their dating life and they don't need some guy who's never taught guys how to get laid before selling them some shit that won't help them. My initial intention wasn't to dig into like this, but I feel like it's necessary. It's kind of sickening that they're are so many people out there like you who are just trying to sell shit in the pickup community and don't actually know how to get students results. Whether you have good intentions or not, the fact remains that without students who have gotten real results, you're just a charlatan.

Author:	Jixabeau [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:03 am ]
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It's true, a lot of communication is non-verbal. But where did you get the information/experience from? What I also wonder is if you have video about how you do this. Maybe acted or have you got a secret/hidden camshot about it. That would make it more clear.

Author:	Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:44 am ]
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Quote: This post was the epitome of overthinking things +1 I'm all for being dominant and everything, but this is way too much. You can just go up to her and tell her you find her attractive and want to get to know her. That's pretty much it.

Author:	OCDANDMASTER [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:52 am ]
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Jixabeau, As I said, I got it from observing everyone around me for 3+ years. It is amazing what you will find out , if you pay close enough attention. And yes, I need to get a camera or something. I haven't really thought all this out yet. But showcasing my body language is definitely a must here. And Steve, My friend. First off, let me say I again strongly object to the implication that I am a charlatan, and my information is not of great value. I never said I was a PUA. All I am saying is this stuff works, and it is all new information. I have done it myself. If you try it, you will be surprised by the results. Secondly, I think it is rather humorous that you are getting so outraged that I am trying to sell something to a community whose whole point is to manipulate girls into having sex with them. It's not exactly a group that seems to sympathy is all. And thirdly, if you had been a little more open-minded, and listened to me a little longer, you would see that you DON”T have to analyze every motion of the head, tilt of the arm. What I have discovered is is a CIRCUIT. There is a SYSTEM. There is something IMPLIED in our genes. I have found it. If you perform a few of these actions, then the rest will follow. They all go together. The same way if you perform a lot of beta actions, other's follow. If you perform a lot of alpha actions, then others will follow. You will become an alpha in a very short time. I haven't discussed what to do yet, but it involves consciously winning the hundreds of micro-confrontations you have around you with everyone you meet. After you do it consciously for a while, your mind will sort of flip a switch and you will start doing it unconsciously. Once that happens, the world is yours. You will become more confident. You will attract acolytes. People will be drawn to you. You will get all the girls. You can have natural game in 3-4 months.

Author:	zebraG [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:12 pm ]
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So, you know it works for you to get the sort of girls you want. How about for other people who want other sorts of girls?

Author:	OCDANDMASTER [ Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:27 am ]
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Well, my friend, I am glad you asked. I had my first day of sarging today, and let me say it was pretty good. I'm going to post a field report right now. I'm going to post half of it here, and the second half on my blog in a blatant attempt to get hits for it. Before I begin the report I want to say that, though I have had cute girlfriends in the past, I have only been pretty decent with girls. I've never been a player. Everything changed though, when I figured out about micro-conflicts. I plan on mastering the game in a month. Okay, so in today I made it my goal to approach ten girls. I approached nine. I used a variation of my park-bench opener, which you will see above, I was standing though, and in a bookstore. I ignored the three second-rule. This is because the three-second rule implies that you need to approach the girl. What I did was made my body language so seductive that she would approach me. She didn't speak to me of course, but I got girl after girl to drift in my general direction at the bookstore. And once she was within distance, it was really easy to start a conversation. One of the trouble's with the three second-rule, I think is that it puts you in the wrong frame. What I mean, is that you when you use that rule you are implying that you are the pursuer, and that you need to approach and pursue, and it is most attractive to do so in confidence. Later in the game, you reverse it, so she becomes the pursuer and you become the pursue, with hot and cold and push pull and whatever you want to use. I have found a way to make her the pursuer from the getgo. That is what the park-bench opener does. Okay, so I made up the routine, here, and that's that. If anyone has any suggestions for day two, let me know, as I know absolutely no routines, and I want to master the game in one month. This is possible, only because I have found a short-circuit, a little hinge in your genes. Okay Approach 1: Barns and Noble HB7. Cute Asian Girl. I walk into her general vicinity. Prior to this, I have won a lot of micro-confrontations, so my dominance-factor is very high at the moment. My body posture is excellent. My head is held high, my chin is erect, my body is very tall. My hands are swinging loosly by my sides, but in a relaxed manner. Relaxation is important. If you are bulging and all macho and trying to intimidate people with your body posture that it implies that there is someone in the area who needs intimidating; thus you are not all that dominant since you need to put on a show. Plus, a tense-show of dominacne will not attract a girl, but intimidate here. So, my head is held high, my arms are swinging by my sides loose and relaxed. As I enter the girls vicinity, I put my right hand to my lips. It is held vertically. I am NOT covering my mouth in a gesture of shock. Rather, think of the body posture teacher's always use in movies when they are keeping a bad boy after-school, and making him right on the blackboard. Think how they pace behind him. That is the exact posture I was using I really am going to buy a video-camera tommorow, as I realzie there is no way this is clear. But I look forward to showing this. Okay, so I was in my teacher-posture, shall I call it, and I was pacing back and forth behind her on the in the isle. Not just behind her of course, but I was pacing the isle back and forth, and her back was turned towards me, and she was looking at the books. This is important. You want to be behind her, you want her back to be turned towards you. You aren't supposed to approach girl's from behind of course, but we have not gotten to the approach yet. The reason you want to be behind her, the reason you want her back turned towards you is because in unordered groups, where a hierarchy has not been established, the dominant members are the ones who are in the back, looking at the other members. Looking at someone is actually a subtle display of aggression in many instances. On the other-hand, in ordered groups, dominant member is always upfront. There the subjects are looking at him; in that case , looking is a sign of admiration. This is very important. During conflict looking at someone is a sign of dominance, after conflict is over, looking at someone is sign of submission. You already know this is intuivitly though. Where do the cool kids sit? The back of the bus. The back of the class. Where does Strider sit in the bar in the first Lord of The Rings Movie. He's all the way in the back, in the shadows. The cool guy is always striding out from the back, from the shadows in movies to do something cool, and intimidate everyone a little bit. Okay, sorry for the tangent. So anyway, after I pace perhaps once or twice, I take a spot in the isle far away from her. She starts to drift towards me. Slowly, but surely, she chooses books closer and closer to me. After a bit, her back is not turned to me at all. Rather she is tilted slightly in my direction, though I still mostly see her side. “Did you steal that shirt?” I say. Her: Smile: turning towards me a little more: Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Cause my sister has one just like it. She lost it three days ago. Her: Not so interested now. She turns away from me a little bit. She is almost all profile now, where she was only half pro-file before. Blah Blah Blah. Smile. I feel depressed, so I don't use the third part of my opener. Okay, first off, you will notice my opener is very very basic. I don't say: Hey, Can I get your opinion. Or anything like that. I don't need to. Because she is already attracted to me, because I am already dominant, I can say a simple question, and she will give me a complex response. As to why she cooled off (slightly) after my second thing I said, I figured that out when another girl did the same thing later on, and I'll get to it. Approach 2: HB: 7 Black girl. Sitting down, reading. Pretty cute. I enter her territory pacing, looking up and away from her. I look at the books. After a while, I notice that she has turned towards me just the slightest bit. She is turning more towards me than she was before. That is all I need. Me: Did you steal the shirt? Her: Smile, other IOIS Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Me: Cause my sister had one just like it, she lost it three days ago. Her: IOIs, Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah Me: You're not that notorious shirt thief, are you? Her: Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah So, that one went pretty well, as did most of the rest of them. Approach 3: HB 6.5.: She would be really cute, if she had hair. She has her head shaved. Wearing a dress. Still looks okay. I am putting on my dominacne display, when she catches my eye across the room, then looks away. Slowly, she drifts over to the isle I am in. There is an asian man between me and her. She drifts past the asian man, browsing, till she is near me. Me: Did you steal that dress. Her: (instantly looking down at her dress, smiling, touching her dress, thrusting her body forward slightly; Looking down at her dress and touching her dress means she is following my lead, means I am dominant, thus IOIs, the other's are also IOIs.) Her: Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. The rest of approach 3 went well. Approach 4: HB 8.5:Really cute, short blond girl browsing. I enter behind her, put on my dominane display. After a minute, inexorably, she begins to drift towards me. She is looking at the books, but her whole body is pushed towards me. Me: Did You steal that shirt? Her: Coming even closer, putting her whole body in front of my, huge IOIs, we are standing complettly frontal to each other. Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Me: Cause my sister lost one just like it 3 days ago: Coming even closer now. Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. Then this girl does a curious thing, which I will discuss later on. She actually lurches past me, to pretend that she was just walking the whole time, and goes out of the store. What I think happened, is that I triggered her anti-slut defense. She thought she was paying me way too much attention by standing so close and placing her body completely in front of mine and not put at an angle. I really think is this true because the exact same thing happened with two other girls who were standing IN THE EXACT SAME POSITIONS. I'll talk more about that later, and what I have devised to do about it. Approach 5: HB: 9. I am at pottery barn now. There is another really cute blond girl working behind I counter. I put on my dominance display in her section of the store. I watch her sometimes as I do. At first her head is held erect and vertical. That means I know she has not submitted yet. After a minute though, she starts looking down. I know she has submitted. Sure enough, after a moment she tries to catch my eye from across her section. Her: Can I help you with anything? Me: Actually yeah I have a question. Her: Coming out from her little stall, walking about seven feet so she is standing right in front of me with her full body pointed towards me: What? Me: Did you steal that shirt? Her: Touching her shirt, looking down, thrusting her body forward IOI city Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Me: Cause my sister lost one just like it three days ago. Her: Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Me: You're not that notorious shirt thief are you? Her: Looking away from me now, tilting her body away from me, acting like she just there to adjust some clothes. Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. Thus, this was a virtual repeat of the last approach. The girl came right up to me, completely presented her body towards me for a moment, then when I went into the third act of my opener, acted like she was doing something else. Again, I triggered her anti-slut defense. I'll talk about how I plan to get over that later. Approach 6: Waiting for the train: HB 4. Not really that Hot. I am sitting on the bench with a dominance display very similar to the one I described in the beginning of this section, in the park-bench dominance display part. The girl comes up and sit's next to me. Her friend sit's next to her. Me: Did you steal that shirt? Her: Deep Doggie Bowls me. Or whatever that thing is. This is my first day of sarging, so I don't know what's it's called. Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. It's important though, that though is DDB's me, she only quarter-turns towards me. Most of her is still in profile. That's very important, because wait till you see what happens next. Me: Cause my sister lost a shirt just like that 3 days ago. Her: On cool, turning away, back to full profile. Looking up and laughing with her friend. Looking up is a sign of dominacne, thus she no longer likes me as much. And yet one second ago she DDBed me. So what happened? It has to do with her body posture. This is the EXACT SAME THING THAT HAPPENED with appraoch 1. A girl was interested in me, but only quarter-turned towards me. When I said the second-thing, she complely turned away. Thus if she is only quarter-turned towards me and I say my full sentence I am giving her too much value. I am talking to much, she hasn't earned it yet. She needs more of her body turned towards me for me to say that without me giving her too much value and betaing myself. Approach 7: On the train; HB 7. I have on my park-bench diplay of dominance, sitting on the train when this girl comes up, sits next to me. Me: Did you steal that shirt? Her: Barely looking at me, barely interacting. Blah. Me: Cause my sister lost one just like it. Her: Blah. So approach 7 sucked. Approach 8: Other barns and noble. HB 7. This one was a virtual repeat of approach 4 and 5. Girl drifted over. I said my shit, She turned her full body towards me. Then I triggered her anti-slut defense and she pretended she was walking past me. Approach 9: Other Barns and Noble. HB 8. Virtual repeat of approach 2. It was a girl sitting down. We had a decent little convo. She liked me, That was that. Okay, so I didn't post it on my blog, because I havn't made that yet. But still it is interesting as hell, I think. What really interests me is the elaborateness of the pattern. HB 1 and 6 reacted the same because they had positioned themselves the same. HB 4,5 and 8 had another reaction because they had positioned their bodies in that way. Next time I use this I think I will add a varition to it, to fix these mistakes. If she only quarter-turns towards me when I use my 1st line I will say: Nah Nevermind, and turn away. Then she will turn towards me more, and I will be free to continue with the routine. On the other hand if she puts her full body towards me, I will step back just a tiny bit, and shift my body slightly so out bodies are not completely sexually in line with each other. Hopefully that will stop the triggering on the anti-slut defense. Does anyone have any suggestions for routines I can use tommorow? I made these up, but I'm runnin cold, so I would like some suggestions. This is only my second day after all as a PUA in training. : P

Author:	OCDANDMASTER [ Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:53 am ]
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Also, any PUA's in NYC have a video-camera, or even better a hidden-hat camera? Want to come on a sarging trip? In return for filming this, I can show you the SICKEST stuff. I can dominate trains of people. You have no idea. It's insane. I can put sleeper-holds on whole trains-full of people without even saying a word. Also, I'll show you how to do it. It's easy, once you figure it out. That's the power of body-langauage.

Author:	Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Fri Jun 03, 2011 8:30 am ]
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Body language is a very interesting subject, and it's important to have good body language. Since the stuff obviously fascinates you, go with your passion, do research into it, maybe write a book, and go for your dream of teaching with a commercial company. HOWEVER, you are currently vastly overemphasising the importance of only ONE aspect of communication, and forgetting something very important. The body language of the girl is the REFLECTION of her inner state. She is not directly communicating to you, nor are most people even aware of what they are communicating with their submodalities like body language, tonality, etc. You STILL need to very much focus on the WORDS you are saying, and the words SHE is saying, if you're actually going to have a successful interaction. The reason these girls started out talking to you and then lost interest, is because you weren't actually listening to what they were saying! You did the same script and said the same 3 lines regardless of what they said! Next time you go out, just give the girl an honest compliment, and start from there. Introduce yourself, and find out about her. Actually LISTEN to what she's saying, and try to establish mutual interests. If you can't walk away with her number in your phone, a date you're going to see her again on, and at least FIVE things you honestly like about her (e.g. she's creative and quirky, studying fashion, loves old movies from the 50s, goes to indie concerts a lot, etc.) then you have NOT done your job.

Author:	OCDANDMASTER [ Sat Jun 04, 2011 2:45 pm ]
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Hey, I want you guys to know I havn't forgotten about this discussion. I've been quite busy, working, as well as writing a book about this stuff, and doing some more observations. I'll going to reply to you concern though soon, Ryan. Also, I am going to rent a hidden-hat camera, to post some of this stuff online, so you guys can see what I am talking about.

Author:	Influx [ Sat Jun 04, 2011 5:46 pm ]
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Quote: Hey, I want you guys to know I havn't forgotten about this discussion. I've been quite busy, working, as well as writing a book about this stuff, and doing some more observations. I'll going to reply to you concern though soon, Ryan. Also, I am going to rent a hidden-hat camera, to post some of this stuff online, so you guys can see what I am talking about. OCD do that!! I want to see you do it!

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