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ok first thing you did wrong was pay attention to your target and not her friend... when you pay attention to the target before she has earned your attention she percieves that as you giving her value for no reason so you look like every other guy that has came up too her and talked to her before you, and since her value went up that means yours went down, and what girl do you know that wants a low value guy?? so instead open the group interact with her friend instead of her and when she starts to loose interest neg her with stuff such as "hey parties over here" or she might but in the conversation you neg that as well with somethign like "geez woman, how do you roll with her you can dress her up but you can take her anywhere"...and when you pay attention to her friend instead of her she is intriqued by you as well because you arent acting like every other guy that has walked up and hit on her so that raises your value... the first ten minutes of your set should be dhv in stories while telling them to her friend because if you do it straight to her it looks like bragging and that brings down your value as well... so if you do what i said her friend wont want to run off because she will be entertained and your target will too...

so the reason why she didnt call you back is because she didnt have any investment in you... you might have pumped her buying temp at the time enough to get the number but she didnt invest that much time in you or that much emotion so what reason does she have to call you back...

but kinoing is great thats where most people mess up at thats prolly one of the most important part of pickup

Author:	Alphapua88 [ Sat Mar 19, 2011 8:34 am ]
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I'm stuck SPAM... This is what happened. I was out last night at a club and opened a 2set. I didn't have a wing to take the other. I was trying to entertain both but started gaming the 1 I was going for. Keno, reading hands and I got iois like squeezing hand, touching. But I totally forgot about Her friend and she got bored and wanted to leave so the 1 I was gaming agreed and told me she had to go... I tried stopping her at the start but she insisted she had to leave. I let her go with a number close. But 5mins later she calls me back and we r just flirting and at the end of it decide to meet the next day for a movie. Great right? Wrong... I call her today and no picking up! And also sent a msg saying "what happened to movie?? Haha" no reply... Can u pro PUA's tell me where I went wrong or how I can fix? Thanks guys Update: she replied 'sorry.. I can't make it.. '

Author:	Alphapua88 [ Sat Mar 19, 2011 10:09 am ]
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I replied 'heh no probs. Next time maybe? ' I wanted to wait for an advice but.. Oh well

Author:	_Illusionist_ [ Sat Mar 19, 2011 10:30 am ]
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Mate, don't worry about it.. Some chicks just don't catch on.. and take a step back and look at the bigger picture - if you were 'gaming' her to the extent that her friend got physically bored - this girl may have just been entertaining the fact that you were talking to her. - and by her minimalistic response to any contact you've tried to make just shows that she either didn't bite when you were chatting at the bar - or she has reassessed the situation and decided to flake out. I did read a long time ago about some guy writing to a girl who has flaking out on him something similar too: "We clicked so well when we first met - but now you've raised this impenetrable barrier, and you have a hard time letting people in.. when you're ready to let go and open up to a real genuine guy - feel free to call me" He insisted it worked well in your situation. Just keep in mind that gaming girls isn't always going to work 100% of the time. Some girls that I 'game' / open me at bars etc - I'll chat and flirt with them just for the sake of making then feel good about themselves - in turn becoming more attracted to you, but it still doesn't mean I'm just out there hunting for sex. Hell, some of these girl I’m not even attracted too - but it's all in the interest of creating a aura around yourself that other people clearly see. I ironic fact of the matter being; the less you care about the outcome of any meeting: the more likely you are to succeed. Worry less about why this happened and wht you could have done differently - and just more fluid, more natural about yourself. Fretting about this will just leave you ridgid. Not good.

Author:	Alphapua88 [ Sat Mar 19, 2011 11:19 am ]
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Thanks _Illusionist_ for the reply! Yea I understand.. Hb9 hard letting it just slip away because I felt like I did everything right. When I replied to her 'heh no probs. Next time maybe? ' She said 'ok ' And that was it.. If there's anyway to recover, I will try it.

Author:	_Illusionist_ [ Sat Mar 19, 2011 11:35 am ]
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Well that's good; next thing - if you're looking to make a girlfriend out of this HB, it might be worth adding her on your social networking sites.. I've recently found a statistic in Men's Health magazine that approximately 78% of women have a thorough scan of any potenial partners Facebook pages - for a deeper insight of what they are all about.. and now with Facebooks new settings that people can find things you've written of friends' walls etc - you're going to have to be careful with tasteless jokes, status updats, drunken / poor photos. Just because she texted "ok " isn't by any means a confirmation of a date in the future - just play to cards close you your chest and start to learn more about her.. I would assume you're not the call her instead of text type - so the next time to you text her, make it include something relating to something she said when you met / or said over IM / phone call etc. This is especially useful for picking up conversation into the next day(s) A recent example of mine: I was chatting to this lovely girl I met at a house warming party - easily a HB8, although there are some qualities I don't like about her - I still would like to "test the waters" as it were... I was talking to her on facebook about going to the gym - I do mostly weights and she is a cardio girl.. great. HB: "hold on a few minutes - I need to stretch my legs! sore from running this morning" Me: "Nothing quite like a good stretch after the gym!.. makes you feel so much more invigorated!" HB: "you do it too??.. most of my friend think I'm crazy for streching so often each day?" It carries on - just playful, flirty a bit provocative. But comes to an end when I decide to hit up the gym.. Shoulder Presses were calling. Later the next day - I sent her a text. Me: "I was runnig to the gym this morning and ran past a crazy looking old dude wearing some retro tracksuit doing stretches on the sidewalk!!.. Reminded me of you - Having trouble imagining you in tight 70's running shorts though " And from the there the conversation picked up to a date later on in the week. Simple, fluid, well executed.

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Author:	Alphapua88 [ Sat Mar 19, 2011 12:24 pm ]
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Ur so helpful thanks man.. Not really planning on a girlfriend though. I should leave it for a few days before I should msg her or call her huh? I really have no problem in calling her. I called her and she didn't pick up so I ended up msging her.

Author:	Ecudes17 [ Sat Mar 19, 2011 6:56 pm ]
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Honestly at this point I really think she has lost all interest in you. She's not returning your calls or texts, that should say something. From your post alone it sounded like you ran pretty good game on her BUT there are 2 things I would like to point out to you. 1: When in a 2 set, without a wing you must keep the obsticle engaged and interested in the conversation. Otherwise she's going to get bored and try to take her friend away. 2: While you may have run solid game and she was interested in you at the time, you failed to get in investment out of her. She didnt really invest anything so she's not loosing anything by not following up with you. I understand that its tough to get a girl to invest in a 10 minute conversation but the more invested in you she becomes, the more likely she will follow up with you the next day. Make her work for your attention, when you see that she's starting to get interested in you, ignore her. Make her buy you a drink. Mess with her emotions. Push, Pull. But over everything else, remember this: you open sets and go out, and sarge to build experience and to have a good time. If you ever go out sarging with the intention of getting laid, your chances are going to decrease big time.

Author:	Alphapua88 [ Sat Mar 19, 2011 10:38 pm ]
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Thank u Ecudes17. Yea I think I'll have to let this 1 go.. But maybe I'll give it 1 last shot by calling her sometime next week and see if she's willing to come out. Oh well at least I've learnt something from the experience.. Thanks guys! So nice to get advice from the pros.

Author:	Nadine [ Sun Mar 20, 2011 3:56 pm ]
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I'm a complete newbie, but here is my input. You called, she didn't pick up. She knew you wanted to contact her, so if she was interested, she would have called you back/texted you. She could have been in the bathroom or something. By texting her, you kind of assumed she didn't pick up the phone on purpose. Were you insecure about whether she'd really want to see you again?

Author:	cspears01 [ Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:19 am ]
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ok first thing you did wrong was pay attention to your target and not her friend... when you pay attention to the target before she has earned your attention she percieves that as you giving her value for no reason so you look like every other guy that has came up too her and talked to her before you, and since her value went up that means yours went down, and what girl do you know that wants a low value guy?? so instead open the group interact with her friend instead of her and when she starts to loose interest neg her with stuff such as "hey parties over here" or she might but in the conversation you neg that as well with somethign like "geez woman, how do you roll with her you can dress her up but you can take her anywhere"...and when you pay attention to her friend instead of her she is intriqued by you as well because you arent acting like every other guy that has walked up and hit on her so that raises your value... the first ten minutes of your set should be dhv in stories while telling them to her friend because if you do it straight to her it looks like bragging and that brings down your value as well... so if you do what i said her friend wont want to run off because she will be entertained and your target will too... so the reason why she didnt call you back is because she didnt have any investment in you... you might have pumped her buying temp at the time enough to get the number but she didnt invest that much time in you or that much emotion so what reason does she have to call you back... but kinoing is great thats where most people mess up at thats prolly one of the most important part of pickup

Author:	Ecudes17 [ Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:52 am ]
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Quote: ok first thing you did wrong was pay attention to your target and not her friend... when you pay attention to the target before she has earned your attention she percieves that as you giving her value for no reason so you look like every other guy that has came up too her and talked to her before you, and since her value went up that means yours went down, and what girl do you know that wants a low value guy?? so instead open the group interact with her friend instead of her and when she starts to loose interest neg her with stuff such as "hey parties over here" or she might but in the conversation you neg that as well with somethign like "geez woman, how do you roll with her you can dress her up but you can take her anywhere"...and when you pay attention to her friend instead of her she is intriqued by you as well because you arent acting like every other guy that has walked up and hit on her so that raises your value... the first ten minutes of your set should be dhv in stories while telling them to her friend because if you do it straight to her it looks like bragging and that brings down your value as well... so if you do what i said her friend wont want to run off because she will be entertained and your target will too... so the reason why she didnt call you back is because she didnt have any investment in you... you might have pumped her buying temp at the time enough to get the number but she didnt invest that much time in you or that much emotion so what reason does she have to call you back... but kinoing is great thats where most people mess up at thats prolly one of the most important part of pickup couldnt have said it any better myself good post.

Author:	Alphapua88 [ Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:01 pm ]
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Yea i think i messed up.. I did start with her friend though! But i think i did it for only a min or two. I started reading her friends hand and the one i was going for was like 'read mine read mine!' And thats when i started my thing. Bu i didnt dhv or neg there at all.. I just agreed and started reading hers! T.T Cspears01 thanks for your help!! Also Nadine, yea I agree with you.. I shouldnt have msged her after she didn't pick up!! Stuffed up in many ways.. Lol thanks for ur input on the situation. You were also a great help!

Author:	Alphapua88 [ Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:19 am ]
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I just thought I should update since i did end up f-closing. After maybe 2or3 weeks I used the txt _Illutionist_ gave me Quote: 'We clicked so well the first time we met' And she came around and decided to meet up. From there on it was smoothe sail. It took me till 3rd day to f-close.. But it was definitely worth it. Now I raise a new question in one of my other topics.. Speeding up the process! SNL, ONS. Please guys, visit my other post and give me ur input if u have time! Thanks!

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