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Author:  cutflow [ Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:00 am ]
Post subject:  is this one indirect or direct?
ok so im a beginner and today was my first time sarging alone. it was sunday @ the mall in NY and was not good because there were no any 9-10HB alone, i brought down my standards to HB7+ and nothing, the only girls alone were with their family. and there were plenty of 2 sets but i'm not ready for that, got into PUA two months ago and studying intensely. i opened today and failed with
" do you have the time"
"actually dont bother i already have the time, i just wanted an excuse to talk with you"

that failed on me because she gave me the time in less than one milisecond so i talked on top of her, i should have paused. is that one indirect or direct?




anyways, i HAVE just finished up customizing an opening line to try out on like 40 chicks tomorrow. or maybe 10-20 lol. tomorrow the parents will be working, monday! so hopefully i'll find chicks alone. i shud.

i want to know if this one i came up with sounds direct enough:

cutflow's custom opener:
1. i try to make some sort of eye contact, movement, maybe if i have a water bottle ill just raise it up to my chest, in hopes that she'll look at me and then ill smile and wave.

2. if she makes eye contact with me and smiles back or doesnt do any of them, well ill walk in front of her till i get close enough to open

3. i open with:

a) hey, hows it going.

*wait for her response*

b) i know this is a bit random (
Author:  AFC Atticus [ Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:27 am ]
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good stuff on beginning your journey.
just a quick note, about your custom opener, the smile is fine when you make initial eye contact but a wave is not appropriate and is a little weird when making initial contact with a stranger. She will think 'why is this random waving at me, maybe he's waving at someone behind me?'
Author:  Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:10 am ]
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In order to properly deliver an opener you must get in front of her and get her to stop.

To do this, you must have confident body language, you must smile, and you must plant yourself in front of her KNOWING she will stop. Anything less and you look like a charity worker, beggar or someone handing out flyers and she will just keep walking around you.

Unless you actually want the time, why are you pretending to ask for it? This is INdirect and therefore GAY. Just stop being a pussy and tell her she's fucking hot. The ballsier and more confident your opener, the bigger emotional spike you have to work with at the start of your interaction, and the more likely she is to be attracted and stick around to talk to you.
Author:  cutflow [ Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:05 pm ]
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In order to properly deliver an opener you must get in front of her and get her to stop.

To do this, you must have confident body language, you must smile, and you must plant yourself in front of her KNOWING she will stop. Anything less and you look like a charity worker, beggar or someone handing out flyers and she will just keep walking around you.

Unless you actually want the time, why are you pretending to ask for it? This is INdirect and therefore GAY. Just stop being a pussy and tell her she's fucking hot. The ballsier and more confident your opener, the bigger emotional spike you have to work with at the start of your interaction, and the more likely she is to be attracted and stick around to talk to you.
nice i thought your reply was very helpful. so i'm better off getting in front of her, saying hey, i think your hot and i would like to get to know you ? or i think your hot, my name is _____ whats yours?

something like that would be direct?
Author:  VinceV [ Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:38 pm ]
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My advise is slightly different to that of Blond. I do not consider that direct or indirect opener but a situational opener and one that has never worked. A better situational opener would have been, "Hi, do you by any chance know where _______ store is?". Choose a store on the other side of the mall so it takes about 5 - 10 secons for her to explain. Then stack immediately into a routine...

The reason why asking for the time will never work is exactly the resons you stated in your original post. It takes a millisecond to give you he time. She doesn't have to stop and therefore you have no chance, whereas asking for directions to a store takes a little longer and she has to stop... Get it? But I also do not really use situational openers... The reason I would use it in a mall is purely because of the following:
1) You have no social proof or value so you are going to crash and burn if you "HIT" on her
2) She is not there to meet guys unless she is sitting in a pub or in a coffee shop, she is there to shop and why must she give a damn about you? She doesn't know you?
3) You are a helpless stranger, you are lost... She has to be inhuman not to help you
4) It is a perfect way for 2 strangers to start a conversation.

I agree that you have to get her to stop and asking for the time will not work. The asking for directions might also not, I created that off the top of my head but I am going to go field test it on Wednesday and on the weekend.

Will let you all know how it went
Author:  Thai1 [ Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:44 am ]
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Blondguy - you're great PUA.
But you always point out how bad indirect is! How it's gay, how it's being a pussy not actually telling what you really want.

Why not just accept the art of indirect? Being funny and social rather then hot and horny?
I'm not saying indirect is better then direct, nor do I say that direct is better then indirect. They both works just fine.

And to be honest - if EVERYONE would use direct then the art of direct would cease to exist!

If 1 out of 100 people would go and say "Hey, do you know what time it is?" *she looks at her watch/ pulls out her phone* "No man, I can't do this. You're too nice! I actually came here cause you seem to be an interesting girl and I'd probably kick myself if I hadn't come over."

Then it's cool! You're sticking out!
But if EVERYONE would use it! Then she'd be thinking that you're like any other guy.

Just accept the art of indirect and direct and choose what you like best.
We're all different.
Author:  DirectSeduction [ Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:17 am ]
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hmm not great lines though
Author:  Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:06 pm ]
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1) You have no social proof or value so you are going to crash and burn if you "HIT" on her

2) She is not there to meet guys unless she is sitting in a pub or in a coffee shop, she is there to shop and why must she give a damn about you? She doesn't know you?

3) You are a helpless stranger, you are lost... She has to be inhuman not to help you

4) It is a perfect way for 2 strangers to start a conversation.
(1) Social proof / value means NOTHING on the street. It's just you and her. The only value you have is what you create through your confidence and ability to hold a conversation. ASSUMING you will "crash and burn" is a limiting belief, and a false one at that. Until you actually try it, you can't know! It works for me EVERY DAY :-)

(2) The fact that she is not there to meet guys is what makes the direct opener so much more POWERFUL. Precisely because she's NOT expecting it. You get straight to HER and you get a really honest response, instead of wading through 10-15 minutes of "bitch shield" at a bar.

(3) Yes, prey on her sense of pity. What do you want to project in your first couple of minutes? "Hi I'm fucking confident and ballsy and I think you're hot!" or "Help me I'm lost" ?

(4) So is "Nice weather we're having," but some ways are BETTER than others.

@cutflow -> you don't need to actually say "hot," I just type that to get the message across. Pick something that congruent to who you are and how you talk. I'll often say "really cute," but some might prefer "absolutely gorgeous" or whatever. Backing it up with a specific helps too - i.e. her walk is really confident and sexy, or her style is really unique and cool.
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