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Author:  salad_fingers [ Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:16 am ]
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So, off to London town tomorrow and ready to give some pickup a go, so tips for great ice breakers in any of the following situations:-

On the train (overground)
On the Tube (more crowded and a bit more of a problem)
Around the really busy tube stations that have a very high volume of commuters and thus potential pickup
In any of the very popular tourist traps of London
In pubs and bars (should I really wait till after 5pm for action)

I think, cannot remember where, a good beginners tip, is to just make small talk with ANYONE regardless of age, gender, looks or whatever. Because it will show that you are not just putting all your eggs in one basket and you do not exclusively try to get the hotties.

Everybody's gotta learn sometime.
Author:  salad_fingers [ Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:34 am ]
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Or even, just for a laugh, should I try (in the name of good humour) re-enact those classic Impulse adverts from the 80s? You know, where random guy gives random girl flowers and the tag line of "When a man you've never met before suddenly gives you flowers, that's Impulse".
Author:  innateability [ Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:02 am ]
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Go read up on 'situational openers'. If your at a train station I would suggest going direct. Start with a false time constraint, and then go off into your game. Small talk, a little teasing and challenging, and number close.
Author:  Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:05 pm ]
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"Do you have the time?"

"Do you know if there's a starbucks around here?"

"Are you friendly?"

"You seem fun!"

"Hi, I'm _____"

"Hi, I just noticed you from across the street and I think you look amazing, and I'd be kicking myself all day if I didn't come over here and find out more about you"

"OH MY GOD YOU'RE SO HOT YOU MADE ME SHIT MYSELF AND NOW YOU OWE ME £4.99 FOR NEW PANTS!"


Transition into a normal conversation by using questions as statements or doing cold reads. For example

"You strike me as the artistic type"
"That's a unique hairstyle. It actually tells me a lot about you. No, really - you're obviously somebody who's quite sure of themselves and has a creative streak..." etc.
"You're not from around here are you"
"Oh you're one of THOSE girls"

Then just be fun, have a conversation, tease her a bit, remember to kino, and just see how things go.


Remember, get into a positive state by talking to cashiers, hired guns, etc. everybody, so that you're beaming with positive energy. You can start with the easier functional openers, and see if you can continue the interaction, and work your way up to the more "ballsy" direct ones. If you go direct and she stays in the interaction with you, then SHE DEFINITELY LIKES YOU, and you can usually exchange info and set up a day 2 within 5-10 minutes.
Author:  salad_fingers [ Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:01 pm ]
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Absolutely nothing happened! :(

OK, I know I am new and learning but I could not find one opportunity for a good excuse to start a conversation with a random and I was with a friend of mine who I also told about PUA and he is very intrigued and keen to get to grips with the basics. Trouble is, he is very low on self-confidence and admits to me that he is so screwed that he cannot even get over AA in the slightest. He comments to me that at least I can do some extremely simple, plain small talk and he cannot do even that.

It's going to be a very long ride methinks.
Author:  salad_fingers [ Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:05 pm ]
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"Are you friendly?"

"You seem fun!"

"Hi, I'm _____"

"Hi, I just noticed you from across the street and I think you look amazing, and I'd be kicking myself all day if I didn't come over here and find out more about you"

"OH MY GOD YOU'RE SO HOT YOU MADE ME SHIT MYSELF AND NOW YOU OWE ME £4.99 FOR NEW PANTS!"
Sorry, but are you actually taking the pish with these lines? There is no way any ordinary joe could use these successfully without freaking people out.
Author:  Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Sat Nov 20, 2010 4:12 pm ]
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"Are you friendly?"

"You seem fun!"

"Hi, I'm _____"

"Hi, I just noticed you from across the street and I think you look amazing, and I'd be kicking myself all day if I didn't come over here and find out more about you"

"OH MY GOD YOU'RE SO HOT YOU MADE ME SHIT MYSELF AND NOW YOU OWE ME £4.99 FOR NEW PANTS!"
Sorry, but are you actually taking the pish with these lines? There is no way any ordinary joe could use these successfully without freaking people out.
First off, if your wing has really low self-esteem and massive AA, then it's gonna be difficult for you guys to get into the right frame of mind. Remember what I said, you have to be already in a super-talkative, social mindset, be smiling and confident. If you deliver ANY opener with no smile, a blank expression, and look like you're having a shitty day, then NOTHING you say will open a set.

As I said, you can start with the super-functional ones like directions if you want, the problem is you'll find it quite difficult to transition, and it also gets you into "get information" mode, which usually involves saying the thing in kind of a boring way, at which point you get a boring response.

That's why the more direct ones are MORE FUN. You HAVE to be having a fucking awesome time to deliver that last opener, which by the way SashaPUA off of here uses ALL THE TIME. Speaking of which, check out this vid

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/user/Sashathepua ... 0Qry8p1Ba4[/youtube]

See that, he opens a girl and says NOTHING for over FOUR MINUTES. Could you TRY to make things any more awkward? Does she bite his head off, or call the police, or tell all her friends he's insane? No, she actually stands there and tries to find out what he's trying to communicate.

Plus, the girl will often give you a HUGE smile if you compliment her, and will usually stand there a bit awestruck, which gives you more opportunity to actually start transitioning. Remember, in the CLUB, the compliment is what every guy is doing, and is therefore a bad idea. But in DAY GAME, she is not used to being complimented, and thus you're being unique, being honest and open with your intentions and desires, and she'll see this as ATTRACTIVE and ROMANTIC.

Think I'm taking the piss? Why not actually TRY this stuff before you assume it'll never work. Maybe it'll work? If it doesn't you'll at least LEARN.

You have a limiting belief. The limiting belief is that it's strange and weird to start random conversations with strangers. This is because your parents told you not to speak to strangers, and the media told you to fear people you don't know, and because you're not used to be very social. You know what? People are actually very friendly, for the most part, and quite bored with their lives. A girl walking around shopping for a new pair of shoes by herself would like NOTHING MORE than to be entertained, made to blush, laugh, giggle and be intrigued by a man who has the fucking balls to just go up and tell her how he feels.

TRY IT.
Author:  salad_fingers [ Sat Nov 20, 2010 6:50 pm ]
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First off, if your wing has really low self-esteem and massive AA, then it's gonna be difficult for you guys to get into the right frame of mind. Remember what I said, you have to be already in a super-talkative, social mindset, be smiling and confident. If you deliver ANY opener with no smile, a blank expression, and look like you're having a shitty day, then NOTHING you say will open a set.

As I said, you can start with the super-functional ones like directions if you want, the problem is you'll find it quite difficult to transition, and it also gets you into "get information" mode, which usually involves saying the thing in kind of a boring way, at which point you get a boring response.
Thanks for all that. :) I do appreciate what you are saying but words are not enough to describe my "wing" and his low self-esteem. He even said that it sounded weird for us to stop HBs and ask for directions because it would sound too weird for us locals to look like strangers in our own town. He believes he has NOTHING to say or offer anyone and people who he made friends with in the past all came to him rather than him making the first move. He fessed up about how clear his paranoia and social anxiety really is. I want to try and help him as he is even more AFC than I am but it could be a very long hard slog.
Author:  innateability [ Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:15 pm ]
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If your wing can't approach at all, then maybe its time to cut of your wing and go in solo. You have to remember it really is about you and he cant help you get layed either way. Just try going direct. Walk up to the girl, tell her 'excuse me, i just had to come talk to you or else i would kick myself later on if i didnt', and then go off into normal small talk. Like,"where are you off to today" from that you should get tones of opportunities to vibe and flirt, and then tell her to put her number in your phone. This should be quick and fun. Youve gotta remember talking to women is an enjoyable experience. You make it sound as if its torture...
Author:  Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:42 pm ]
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I agree. You don't need a wing for day game anyway.
Author:  SummerSheep [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:03 am ]
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I agree. You don't need a wing for day game anyway.
not at all
Author:  fifeguy86 [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:54 am ]
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i think your main problem is your limiting beliefs mate.

'wether you think you can or you cant, your right'

this may help, before you sarge, make sure you are your best self. groom yourself, wear smart but casual clothes, practice smiling and other expressions in the mirror. makes sure you look, smell and most importantly FEEL good. read over these facts with your wing and repeat them to eachother before you leave the house.

it is natural to interact with other equal human beings.

people enjoy interaction

girls are bored on the bus/train/in a queue/in a waiting area/standing around/at a smoking area outside a bar or club. they want to be entertained and stimulated.

the worste thing that has ever happened to me when opening is that girls are disinterested or i get the odd bitchy comment (very rarely). these negative outcomes only effect me for seconds, however if all goes well you can have great sex, make a cool new female friend (possible future pivot even), or you could meet the love of your life. approaching girls you dont know is a win-win situation. at very least you will learn a little from the interaction. at best you will be baw-deep inside her before the days out! you really have nothing to lose and everything to gain my friend.

read over blondguys posts again, he is right. your current beliefs are wrong. fact. this guy might not believe in my morals (i lie to girls and cheat on my gf) but he has tigh game from what i have read on this website. everything he says is pretty accurateand ties in with a lot of my own experiences.

for fuck sake remember its meant to be fun and i promise once you force yourself thru the first 10-15 approaches you will be more comfortable and enjoy it more!

openers
if you dont like direct openers (i dont either) use situational openers about where you are and whats going on. (ideal for the tourist attractions, i reckon). these should be wity commetns or interesting questions said in an off the cuff manner as if they have just occured to you. smile and say the line as you would to a friend.

my favourite openers are usually opinion openers. said to groups of 2 or more they are very powerfull as they can start a flowing conversation very easily. also it helps you come in under the radar (ie your looking for a female point of view on a matter, not trying to chat her up). a good way to start them is;

'hey guys, we need a girls opinion on something......'

if you dont know any situational openers or opinion openers then let me know and i will send you some.

hope this helps, let me know what you think.
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