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Author:  Tasty [ Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:20 am ]
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Reliever's post made me want to make a topic about this.

You are never direct enough when you approach.
You need to amp up the volume, and just like you talk THROUGH someone (not to them, you're too quiet), you are so direct that you try to get blown out.

I used to approach like every other guy does, "hey, your dress looks beautiful", or "hey, you have gorgeous eyes" and think they're being direct. Yeah, it's direct, but its the same shit every other guy says. BORING. Do you really think that engages her emotions? HELL NO. She can smell chode from 20 feet away

Lately, when I'm in the groove and warmed up, I will simply open with "you're fucking hot" or "DAMN you're sexy" as I look her up and down, giving her sexual eye contact. Where you kind of tilt your head down, but look up at her like you wanna fuck. You can treat this as either an approach (walk up, say it, then just chill and look at her) or a take-away (say it as you walk by her or passed her, and continue walking). I've had ignores, and some positive reactions. A couple girls have grabbed my hand and squeezed it. And of course this works best on the 7's and up... I really don't mess with ugly/fat girls because their confidence is so low its hard as hell to game/flirt, at least for me.

Credit to [60yearsofchallenge] for this: You want to get blown out as early as possible to get it out of the way. That raises the bar for the rest of your night. You don't want to pussy-foot around, and wait until 1:30am until you decide to go super direct and say "hey hottie"
After you verbally get blown out, you need to try to get physically blown out. This is your pre-cursor to the rest of your night. So I try to escalate my approaches to its peak after 2 or 3 sets... works best for me.

An example of my trying to get physically blown out is I walk up and wrap my around her. Or I will walk up and hug her immediately after I say something. But all of this exudes confidence and can only be seen in good light :D

edit: do your game natty, just like when u workout
Author:  crass [ Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:39 am ]
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great post tasty!
Author:  jurupa [ Fri Jul 16, 2010 2:49 am ]
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Lately, when I'm in the groove and warmed up, I will simply open with "you're fucking hot" or "DAMN you're sexy" as I look her up and down, giving her sexual eye contact. Where you kind of tilt your head down, but look up at her like you wanna fuck. You can treat this as either an approach (walk up, say it, then just chill and look at her) or a take-away (say it as you walk by her or passed her, and continue walking). I've had ignores, and some positive reactions. A couple girls have grabbed my hand and squeezed it. And of course this works best on the 7's and up...
And you don't think guys say that stuff to girls already?
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I really don't mess with ugly/fat girls because their confidence is so low its hard as hell to game/flirt, at least for me.
Bit of a general stereotype no?
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An example of my trying to get physically blown out is I walk up and wrap my around her. Or I will walk up and hug her immediately after I say something. But all of this exudes confidence and can only be seen in good light :D
It also exudes creepiness to a sober girl. You can't expect to pick up a girl with out using some tact. Do you really think girls in general want to be treated like a sex object?
Author:  Tasty [ Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:15 pm ]
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thanks, crass

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And you don't think guys say that stuff to girls already?
Like aaron says, I think only a certain small percentage of guys can walk up to a girl, and deliver "hey, you're freaking sexy" with 100% confidence.

Almost any guys can hoot, hollar, and whistle at some dime piece walking by from 10+ feet away. There is no risk involved, no rejection, she just keeps walking. Like those dudes at construction sites (stereotype, but ive seen it a few times lol) that hollar "hey babbbbbby"

I would guess only about 1/10 or 2/10 guys at any given bar with college aged people (18-28 ) could walk up to ANY girl and say that while looking at her dead in the eye. It may seem really easy to you, but I remember a year ago I couldnt even walk up to a girl to say "hi"
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Bit of a general stereotype no?
Yes it is, but in my experience, uglier girls are much harder to game. I've had times where I pick up a random 5 or 6's drink to take a sip and she goes berserk. One time I grabbed her cigarette out of her hand and she tries to burn me with it. She was fat. I just generally avoid girls with low confidence and vibe much better with attractive and hot girls. I consider myself good looking so I would be limiting myself to try and mess with uglier girls. But of course there is that occasional ugly girl fuck hehe
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It also exudes creepiness to a sober girl. You can't expect to pick up a girl with out using some tact. Do you really think girls in general want to be treated like a sex object?
Wrong, I do this a lot. I've done this to sober girls. Of course I will get blown out by it, but more times than not, it opens successfully. I do it all playfully, im having a good time, this is "alpha male" behavior if you wish to call it that. Treating her like a sex object would be more of me walking up to her and grabbing her butt. I know some dudes would slap her ass after she makes strong EC with him...

Just let loose and have fun with it. Walk up to her and throw her over your shoulders. Pretend you are going to wake away with her and her friends are like "OMG!!! put her down!!" and everyone is laughing. YOU make everyone feel good.
Gotta remember you want to change her emotional state as much as possible from moment to moment. No "hi. whats your major. where u from. blah blah blah"
Author:  jurupa [ Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:37 pm ]
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And you don't think guys say that stuff to girls already?
With confidence? Unlikely. Most guys who say that yell from their pickup truck while driving away.

I think you should try it before you pass judgement. Do it with "alpha" body language and eye contact and I guarantee she will respond positively... most of the time.
Wasn't passing judgment here. But more pointing out how its not as unique as Tasty was making it out to be.
Author:  jurupa [ Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:10 pm ]
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Like aaron says, I think only a certain small percentage of guys can walk up to a girl, and deliver "hey, you're freaking sexy" with 100% confidence.

Almost any guys can hoot, hollar, and whistle at some dime piece walking by from 10+ feet away. There is no risk involved, no rejection, she just keeps walking. Like those dudes at construction sites (stereotype, but ive seen it a few times lol) that hollar "hey babbbbbby"

I would guess only about 1/10 or 2/10 guys at any given bar with college aged people (18-28 ) could walk up to ANY girl and say that while looking at her dead in the eye. It may seem really easy to you, but I remember a year ago I couldnt even walk up to a girl to say "hi"
Your right that a lot of guys don't say this stuff in person in front of a girl but on a drive by. I don't even say that stuff, because I see it being distasteful. But that is just me. I also don't think a small portion of guys don't say such things either. I heard gangsters and actual a-holes say such things to girls all the time in the streets and in clubs/bars.
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Yes it is, but in my experience, uglier girls are much harder to game. I've had times where I pick up a random 5 or 6's drink to take a sip and she goes berserk. One time I grabbed her cigarette out of her hand and she tries to burn me with it. She was fat. I just generally avoid girls with low confidence and vibe much better with attractive and hot girls. I consider myself good looking so I would be limiting myself to try and mess with uglier girls. But of course there is that occasional ugly girl fuck hehe
In my experience I found girls confidence to be all over the place. I met really hot girls that had low confidence and ugly girls that have high confidence. Where I live I find the uglier girls are easier game because less guys go for them. One could say they are more desperate than other girls. And they maybe correct.
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Wrong, I do this a lot. I've done this to sober girls. Of course I will get blown out by it, but more times than not, it opens successfully. I do it all playfully, im having a good time, this is "alpha male" behavior if you wish to call it that. Treating her like a sex object would be more of me walking up to her and grabbing her butt. I know some dudes would slap her ass after she makes strong EC with him...
It is "alpha male" behavior. But I have a feeling you are not that tall either, so a girl will feel less threaten by you because of your height. If I did this, there is a good chance I'll get the bouncers on me in a club or a girl yelling for help. But you can treat a girl like a sex object verbally as well, not just physically. I almost got slap with a sexual harassment suite because of something I said vocally to a girl.
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To me it seems like you are holding back when you approach and talk to girls. Just let loose and have fun with it. Walk up to her and throw her over your shoulders. Pretend you are going to wake away with her and her friends are like "OMG!!! put her down!!" and everyone is laughing. YOU make everyone feel good.
Gotta remember you want to change her emotional state as much as possible from moment to moment. No "hi. whats your major. where u from. blah blah blah"
Your right that I hold back when I approach girls. But I tend to run a conservative game as I am a conservative guy. This is not to say that I won't throw a girl over my shoulder and carry her off, as I have done such things but only once I get to know them some.

Tasty I get what your getting at and how you are going for the shock value and all. But I think one can be too direct tho and over the top. Don't get me wrong I am all for direct game. But I also think not observing social rules when it comes to conversations can hurt ones game.
Author:  PUAmed [ Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:49 am ]
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Author:  Tasty [ Sun Jul 18, 2010 5:57 pm ]
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It is "alpha male" behavior. But I have a feeling you are not that tall either, so a girl will feel less threaten by you because of your height. If I did this, there is a good chance I'll get the bouncers on me in a club or a girl yelling for help. But you can treat a girl like a sex object verbally as well, not just physically. I almost got slap with a sexual harassment suite because of something I said vocally to a girl.
6'1 is moderately tall. I have 5 friends who are 6'4-6'6...thats pretty tall lol. Also work out like a religion. but yeah we just have slightly different styles of game. I've always been pretty indirect, just going up, saying hi, making small talk. Great for making friends, but I wasn't showing sexual intent or escalating. When I go direct I feel much more congruent and all that.
Author:  jurupa [ Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:34 pm ]
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It is "alpha male" behavior. But I have a feeling you are not that tall either, so a girl will feel less threaten by you because of your height. If I did this, there is a good chance I'll get the bouncers on me in a club or a girl yelling for help. But you can treat a girl like a sex object verbally as well, not just physically. I almost got slap with a sexual harassment suite because of something I said vocally to a girl.
6'1 is moderately tall. I have 5 friends who are 6'4-6'6...thats pretty tall lol. Also work out like a religion. but yeah we just have slightly different styles of game. I've always been pretty indirect, just going up, saying hi, making small talk. Great for making friends, but I wasn't showing sexual intent or escalating. When I go direct I feel much more congruent and all that.
See I knew you where short. :P But you are also within girls preferred height range as well which is 5'10" to 6'3", so the arm thing for you can work quite well even if you are buff from working out. But your right that our game differs slightly tho, as I am more direct but I don't show sexual intent at least right off the bat. Also just so you know your 6'6" friend is average height for guys above 6'3". :wink:
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