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Author:  Frostyx [ Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Real Answers Only
Straight up,
I've been browsing this PUA forum for a couple to 6 months now.

My problem?
I see topics which don't really relate to me, topics which ask casual questions where I can end up answering them in my head with the little experience I have.
This maybe a general question for you guys, hence the topic title.
Don't refer me to any links, searches, trust me. I've tried.

I know my basic information, I even have a quick-look list to glance at if I'm puzzled. Feel free to add to it if you like; (if not, skip this)
3 second rule
Eye contact
Time limit
Handshake
Energy
Body language
Alpha
Cold read
Social
Tease/ Compliment (Push/ Pull)
Kino
# Close
I may have missed some stuff, I only did this list on the bus to college today.

So just what answers am I looking for, and to what question?

I want realistic ones, how would I properly approach, or your ideas at least. Just give me your basic staples. Bearing in mind the up-tight bitches, high-status, breaking the ice, awkwardness at start, to be heard etc.

I guess my main problem is social anxiety, I can tease and chill with one of my closest friends, a girl. I could skim past and read many e-books etc, I've read one or two and they repeat the same shit that doesn't get to my head. Post what has helped you personally.

Books?
What ones should I buy that really inspired or helped you. The fair few I've bought were a waste of money, simple information to the basic needs of wannabe PUAs. As they say, the highest level is natural.

State your routines, no not as in lines. Just how you 'true' PUAs go about picking up. Give me a talk line, and several scenarios, think of the worst and the norm.

You know, I may just be rambling on but I had to get this off my chest, this subtle rage I have from reading all this text which just truly hasn't helped me. You may say I'm being negative about all this, I'm only telling you my honest views.

Many thanks.
Author:  mastermind007 [ Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Real Answers Only
Quote:
Straight up,
I've been browsing this PUA forum for a couple to 6 months now.

My problem?
I see topics which don't really relate to me, topics which ask casual questions where I can end up answering them in my head with the little experience I have.
This maybe a general question for you guys, hence the topic title.
Don't refer me to any links, searches, trust me. I've tried.

I know my basic information, I even have a quick-look list to glance at if I'm puzzled. Feel free to add to it if you like; (if not, skip this)
3 second rule
Eye contact
Time limit
Handshake
Energy
Body language
Alpha
Cold read
Social
Tease/ Compliment (Push/ Pull)
Kino
# Close
I may have missed some stuff, I only did this list on the bus to college today.

So just what answers am I looking for, and to what question?

I want realistic ones, how would I properly approach, or your ideas at least. Just give me your basic staples. Bearing in mind the up-tight bitches, high-status, breaking the ice, awkwardness at start, to be heard etc.

I guess my main problem is social anxiety, I can tease and chill with one of my closest friends, a girl. I could skim past and read many e-books etc, I've read one or two and they repeat the same shit that doesn't get to my head. Post what has helped you personally.

Books?
What ones should I buy that really inspired or helped you. The fair few I've bought were a waste of money, simple information to the basic needs of wannabe PUAs. As they say, the highest level is natural.

State your routines, no not as in lines. Just how you 'true' PUAs go about picking up. Give me a talk line, and several scenarios, think of the worst and the norm.

You know, I may just be rambling on but I had to get this off my chest, this subtle rage I have from reading all this text which just truly hasn't helped me. You may say I'm being negative about all this, I'm only telling you my honest views.

Many thanks.


"I want realistic ones, how would I properly approach, or your ideas at least. Just give me your basic staples. Bearing in mind the up-tight bitches, high-status, breaking the ice, awkwardness at start, to be heard etc."

Ok so you want to learn about approching. THe best book i have found on straight approching is open like a master by speer. You can find it at his website. It goes through alot of different scenarios, even getting called out on being a pua. IN addition he does give a few lines that work quite well. If your going more tword the routines (speer isn't about routines) then I would go lovesystems routine manual. Very good and will give you a routine stack you can use for every interaction. and will work on a lot of girls.
As for basic steps of an approch. Walk up with higher energy show good body language. Smile that is the biggest thing. Touch right away, and lock in. That is the simplist way of putting it. AS for lines I use situational openers. FOr example,
"why are you girls sitting here all by your self. is this a girls night out cuz i can be a girl for the night." Now if i say that smileing they know that I am joking and can make and take a joke. all this because they are sitting by them selves. Yet in all reality they body language tone make so much more of an impression than what you say. there is a whole theroy on it in communication. I can go into alot more but that could be a few pages.

If you are just starting off routines will give you a place to start for sure. Thats alot of lovesystems and most of the community like Venution arts (mystery). If you are more interested in natural go with speer (great boot camp) and more of adam lyons johny soprono. Infact the best thing you caould do is go and see what you like to a superconfrence. There is one comming up in nyc with free training.
if you want I can go into more information about all this. You just said you want the basics. So thats about as basica as I can make it.

Mastermind007
Author:  Jav [ Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:30 pm ]
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my rules:
There is no perfect game
Girls will forever stay 8 years old, pat them on the head.
How can I make this fun?
I'm deeply in love, with myself

products:
gunwitch method
Attraction code by vin dicarlo
Blueprint Decoded - rsd
Flawless natural - rsd


Also, kino'ing right off the bat does WONDERS.


My 2 cents, I didn't particularly get what you were looking for. Hopefully this helped. I don't follow a particular structure like an MM practitioner would, I keep it natural, see where pieces may fall and go from there. I barely use routines, unless they pop up in my mind and they seem appropriate. (rub yourself in front of a girl sexually, tell her you can't promise her anything)
Author:  Frostyx [ Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:36 pm ]
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First 2 posts and I've already gained some know-how. Love it. Thanks

I guess what I'm asking is reassurance on HOW to pick up.
The times I've tried, I pussied out for some lame reason, for other guys watching me maybe. And the first few times i tried, when i tried to 'lead' or flirt, I kept getting negative responces, like 'I don't think so.' or 'naah'.

I'll look up those books too, hopefully not too costly.
Author:  mastermind007 [ Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:47 pm ]
Post subject:  approch anxiety
I wanted to touch on this in the last post and I just ened up thinking about opening.
You can get into alot of this going into tribal days and blah blah blah. You been on for six months you probally rad all that before. So I will give you what i think and a few ways to get over it.
AA to me is the just an emotion. Nothing more nothing less. Now They best way to counter this in my personal experiance is to occupy the concious mind. That is really what the 3 second rule is. It is just by they time you end up thinking that girl is hot your allready in the group talking. You didn't allow the fear as it is called to get to you.
Now if you do let it get to you, we all aren't perfect it happens, then you can start laughing and trying to have fun. If you showing you have fun you counter that fear emotion. Thats why wings are great they get you laughing.
Now if you want a more traditional idea of AA then it is simply a fear of the unknowen. How do you couter that. You can do 2000, approches and just learn through experiance. I mean what is the worst that is going to happen with this, she will say fuck off if you approch half way correct and she just isn't intrested(speer). I mean if you are a total creep you could get slapped. Yet i know your not since your here like all of use. So creep thing is out lol. So you approchand learn viable option.
Then you can practice in your head. You see two girls and you practice in your head what to say always giving a good ending. If you project it, it will happen. This is a hypnosis techique that seems to work a well know guru uses this alot (carlos xuma).
You can go and frame it differant by using nlp. Litterally putting it in a screen on a tv in your mind and distancing yourself from that feeling. See ross jefferies for more on that one.
You can do inner confidence or inner game and gett it rock solid by knowing it doesn't matter (kinda a bad boy or hypnotica thing).

No matter what you do in the end you have to approch at some time. just up to you to find your way.

Bruce lee said that axiety is just pre enlightenment... why would you hold it back. I agree with this totally. since once you start going it is fun.

Hope these posts help you man.

Mastermind007
Author:  l oasis l [ Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:52 pm ]
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browsing a PUA forum is not a good way to start out. It lacks structure .Posts are scattered all around the place ranging from all levels of beginner to advanced, and is extremely overwhelming for someone starting out.

I will mention one book and one book only. DiCarlo's Attraction Code. It's an amazing product which deals with 'natural' inner game, and is a separate entity of it's own from 'regular' PUA meterial. DiCarlo claims to have spawned the idea of natural game.

Although the information in that book is great, there is so much more valuable info out there that I would hate to lose.

Check your private messages.

here's a little list that is still significantly incomplete, but it will put you on the right track:

#

* M3 Model
* State of Mind
* Composure
* Female Psychology
* Negs
* Cocky-Funny
* Wing Etiquette
* Wing Tactics

#
Openers

* Direct vs Indirect
* Bitch Shield & Shit Test
* Locking-In
* The Encyclopedia of Openers
* Night Game vs Day Game
* Day Openers
* Street Pickup

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Attraction

* Demonstrating Higher Value
* IOIs & SOIs
* Neg Encyclopedia
* Social Vibing
* Group Theory
* Anti-AMOG
* Kino Escalation
* Qualifiers
* False Disqualifiers
* Being Fun
* Hired Guns
* Role Playing

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Comfort

* Comfort Explained
* Target Isolation
* Building Rapport
* Sexual Tension
* Games & Tests
* Insta-Date
Number-Close
* Kiss-Close
* Phone Game
* Text Messages
* Online Game
* Prevent Flaking
* Dates

#
Seduction

* Phase Shift
* Foreplay
* LMR
* Emotional Progression Model
* Threesomes

From mPUA.info www.mpua.info
Author:  Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 12:03 am ]
Post subject: 
Quote:
First 2 posts and I've already gained some know-how. Love it. Thanks

I guess what I'm asking is reassurance on HOW to pick up.
The times I've tried, I pussied out for some lame reason, for other guys watching me maybe. And the first few times i tried, when i tried to 'lead' or flirt, I kept getting negative responces, like 'I don't think so.' or 'naah'.

I'll look up those books too, hopefully not too costly.
If you're "pussying out" then the best thing is to keep practicing until it stops being a big deal and you have fewer nerves.

If you're getting resistance like that, you're probably either pushing too hard too soon, or the girl can see you lack confidence in what you're doing. The answer to the latter is, once again, more practice, but the answer to the former is more interesting.

If you're getting a "I don't think so" from a girl, then actually you could well be doing a lot right. After all, I'd say 90% of guys one here have trouble forcing themselves to escalate, and often get LJBF'd because of it. I know I did. At least you know you're escalating. Problem could be, you haven't built enough comfort / rapport first.
Author:  Double J [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 12:59 am ]
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Ok, the tough love way to learn game.

Step One. Learn an opener.
Step Two. Open

If you limit you knowledge pool to the simplest of the simple, you can not go far wrong. My first opener?

"Oh my god, you have to help me out, i've been debating over this with my friends and its driving me crazy! You ready, answer this and we're cool for life, ok...Jafa cakes... cake or biscuit?"

TERRIBLE right? (It was worse, that's the version i use for kicks now) But i asked that stupid question to like, 50 sets easy. Pick an opener, come up with an interesting question, open strangers at a bus stop, just get used to talking to people and using some openers. Then when your in the club it'll be easier.

Trust me, opening 50 sets with a lame ass opener will do you better than reading the 50 BEST pick up books.
Author:  Frostyx [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:49 pm ]
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thing is how do I know how much comfort I've built up.
After building comfort, showing I'm a chilled guy, fun, energetic. If then I ask her quesitons and all she gives is one worded.. do I carry on with my socialness?
Cause kino is out of the door and joking is one thing but just how do I fully break the ice from stranger to seducer.

And if i'm unable to build kino + fail at the joke, as in she puts up a FUCKYOU wall, how would I break that down?

Especially nowadays, my age at 16. Girls may be SHOCKED to be actually hit on at a house party, as it's not as common as clubs to be hit on. They may be with their friends, or whatnot.

Thanks so far to all responces, and keep it non-fluff + new info.
Author:  TheTruthPUA [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:15 pm ]
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OK you want real so I am going to deliver it. BOOKS = Waste of time, yes some less than other, yes some have better information then others, books are there to give examples, gain understanding, and to start a foundation... LOOK to be honest nothing will do better for you then practice, practice, practice alot of the great pua are good because of pratice.... my thing is instead of take all this time to waste time and getting new books and go out there and work for it... how I started simply was having goals each day starting from just practicing openers all day for weeks... seeing reaction, practice body language, and sometimes I would go further on and go more convosation, sometimes I would just do an opener and say hey have a nice day... the key is attempting it, and do it on whatever females ugly ones hot ones... just to build comfort... another thing that helps AA is trying throw yourself in situations... join clubs, groups, etc at your college... another great one is getting a customer service job ie in retail... it will force you to interact with everyone and u will make money at same thing... but like I said and I will say it again nobody and I mean nobody has come remotely good just by using canned lines and following the book natural... u have to learn to gain your own idenitiy and use your foundation as a start... learn what works best for you ... so people can pull off mystery openers and kill (me personally I can't I learn I am not magically or mysterious like he is) so I go for more natural... some people can do palm reading and shit I get the girl rapped up some can't.... so like I said at the end of the day its all about build a better you and creating your own lane... and remember PRACTICE...
Author:  l oasis l [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:33 pm ]
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If then I ask her quesitons and all she gives is one worded.. do I carry on with my socialness?
It sounds like you're taking too much value from her, think of it as being needy. You're chasing her, the key is to make her chase you.

Quote:
Especially nowadays, my age at 16. Girls may be SHOCKED to be actually hit on at a house party, as it's not as common as clubs to be hit on.


At your age, I went to a lot of house parties, every weekend you could find one, and there would be a kegger at least once a month. We partied harder then I party now in uni. I miss those environments, I wish I knew PUA back in those days, and I envy you for getting into this at your age.

House parties are better than clubs in many ways (except the small under 30 people ones, though still good in many respects). I still go to a few house parties now and then, but they're the smaller type and it's just not quite the same.
Quote:
Girls may be SHOCKED to be actually hit on at a house party, as it's not as common as clubs to be hit on.


If you're saying this is a bad thing, then you are quite mistaken . I love daygame for that exact reason. Girls aren't used to it, their shields are down and simply opening them is a DHV. Still, I disagree that they aren't used to being 'hit on', girls and guys just chill and talk the whole time, there's just a lot more comfort going on since a lot of people know each other.

Bottom line: don't chase girls and seek rapport, let them come to you. Be non reactive to anything negative she does, and reward her for her positive behavior by opening up your body language or kinoing. Make it look like (through body lingo and the frame control) you could leave at any second if she doesnt impress you. Be the selector
Author:  Frostyx [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:01 pm ]
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Thanks, i get it now. Full alpha male characteristics, i see this take over me sometimes. As people say, once you KNOW this you can't forget it, and a part of my personality has changed from reading this stuff, FOR THE BETTER I may add.

So you're saying, be the selector.
How exactly do I make THEM chase ME if I've never met them and I'm the one who initiated the convo, and they're the one who if are blown off, wouldn't give 2 shits because I was just 'one of those guys' who pussied out.

:) Thanks so far for the responces guys, surprised and pleased.
Author:  TheTruthPUA [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:30 pm ]
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Thanks, i get it now. Full alpha male characteristics, i see this take over me sometimes. As people say, once you KNOW this you can't forget it, and a part of my personality has changed from reading this stuff, FOR THE BETTER I may add.

So you're saying, be the selector.
How exactly do I make THEM chase ME if I've never met them and I'm the one who initiated the convo, and they're the one who if are blown off, wouldn't give 2 shits because I was just 'one of those guys' who pussied out.

:) Thanks so far for the responces guys, surprised and pleased.
To be real my dude u need to slow down... your starting to confuse me with the selector shit... like I was saying take shit slow and keep learning, practice, set goals, fix your mistakes... the one thing I can't stand for people to do is overthink stuff.. go open sets ... from there the beauty is that u have a forum... so if u have some mistakes or the same things keep happening.. then we can suggest new things and u can adjust... but to be honest the biggest two problems the forum faces are people who just study the game and don't practice which they will ask 30 questions without even talking to one girl ... or people who want people to solve step by step problems with exact examples... or lastly which is a major problem people with oneitis... (which kills me, because the number one rule is there are too many women in the world to be trippin on one)...

TO SUM SHIT UP: HAVE FUN GO APPROACH PRACTICE STOP OVERTHINKING AND KEEP TRYING (Michael Jordan didn't come good by reading about basketball did he?)
Author:  Frostyx [ Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:50 pm ]
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Nice, thanks :)
I'm checking out speeches from other PUAs at the 21conventions website, sounds interesting with new stuff I haven't heard of.

I'm quite a charismatic guy around friends (and soon, women), but how do you keep the conversation lively? I know how to carry it on, how to ask people for opinions etc. But to keep it lively? hand gestures, tone of voice.. what else? :)

oh and with the negatives as in I say something and they are like 'what?' or 'no'
Do i ignore it? If so, carry on with what.. a completely new convo?
Do i tease back? ' Oh i wouldn't wanna do that anyway, you might have a disease'
Persistance?
Author:  TheTruthPUA [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:20 am ]
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Quote:
Nice, thanks :)
I'm checking out speeches from other PUAs at the 21conventions website, sounds interesting with new stuff I haven't heard of.

I'm quite a charismatic guy around friends (and soon, women), but how do you keep the conversation lively? I know how to carry it on, how to ask people for opinions etc. But to keep it lively? hand gestures, tone of voice.. what else? :)

oh and with the negatives as in I say something and they are like 'what?' or 'no'
Do i ignore it? If so, carry on with what.. a completely new convo?
Do i tease back? ' Oh i wouldn't wanna do that anyway, you might have a disease'
Persistance?
With conversation it pretty simple go after things u know following the news, entertainment, talk about your surroundings people, items, details around u, lastly be playful with it do things like play games ex: (let me guess in 3 guesses what you do for a living).. overall girls (people) love to be around playful confident people period... so no matter what mistakes or negatives just have fun with it and be playful... and don't ignore anything it shows a lack of confidence.. and yes tease back be playful and don't say anything corny like the line u used... say something more witty and clever... persistance in the game is always good but not with same girl if she doesn't like u move on... but always strive to do better come hard and always approach and game... I personally have a full stack of girls on my hands right now! and I still game girls just for fun... just so I don't lose it!
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