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Author:  djs13 [ Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:05 am ]
Post subject:  Opening at the Beach...VERY Confused
Hello, I'm new to this forum and I am pretty new to cold approaching women. I posted this on two different boards and didn't get much feedback, so forgive me if you've read this twice. I hope I get a better turnout here:

I'm going on vacation to the beach next week and I really want to play a tight game. I've literally written up my entire "beach game:"

-play football with my friend
-ask the set if they want to play
-Take a break and game her (DHV, Screen, even neg if needed)
-choose an area to bounce or time bridge to

My problem is that yesterday I went to dinner with my best friend, who is the most gorgeous woman I know. She's also dating my other best friend and they're a great couple. I can talk to this girl about anything, so I started talking about how I want to game a few girls at the beach and I went through my plan.

She said that one, cold approaching girls outside a club or a bar is risky and most girls won't like it. She said think about it: most girls at malls or the beach aren't always there to socialize and they usually are there for a reason (to buy clothes, tan, eat, etc.) whereas a club is a different story.

So then I said, "OK, then how can I hit on a girl and open a set without coming off as a perv?" She responded by saying I needed to play a little football with my friend while eyeing a girl and trying to hold eye contact. If the girl double takes, it means shes attracted to you. Furthermore, if the girl keeps looking back I should wave to her. As my friend continued, she said the girl or girls will then approach us and its up to us to keep a good conversation going (which I interpretted as DHV, screening and maybe even a neg or two).

I literally got pissed after this dinner because I was really confused. I read the Mystery Method and alot of it sounded like club material but I was still going to try some cold approaches at the beach. My friend's advice sounds reasonable, but this means I'm going to have to wait around for the girl to come to me, after I hold eye contact and wave. I seriously wouldn't of taken this advice if this girl wasn't so good looking and funny. I definitely want to try Mystery's strategies at some clubs, but I'm probably not going to many clubs on vacation.

So what advice do I take for this beach vacation? Advice from the horse's mouth or from the Mystery Method?

Thanks
Author:  dfitty [ Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:41 am ]
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Since you have a wing i would use a simple approach. Go up to her and say something like, "my friend thinks youcould through this football better then me, will you go ahead and prove to him you can't" with a smile. of course she likes the challenge. If she denies you, then make another neg. Either "do you not want to embarrase yourself," or " i wouldn't want to break a nail either if i had nails like you." Hopefully she'll then take the challenge.

If not, i'd move on because she might not be playful. I've closed a set on the beach once by simply saying, "are you to shy to come over and talk to me." You could try, "we've been playing catch for 15 minute. Why haven't you came over and asked to play yet?" If she says she doesn't want to maybe say, "You didn't look like the fun friend in the group."
Author:  Locke [ Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:52 am ]
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I know this is for quality posts (meaning the pros only ;) ) but I would like to say I had some similar questions to beach approach. I mean, the woman is there to get some sun, do some swimming, read, and enjoy the day. She is half naked, and sometimes really vulnerable.

If you approach at the wrong time (i.e. putting on lotion, laying down napping/not paying attention, with their top un-tied, even when she is swimming and doesn't expect someone to approach) you could blow the whole thing. Imagine trying to make an approach, and some how it works out that she is just coming up for air and you are standing there? Beach approaches can be really creepy.

But they can be really successful too. When women go out to clubs and bars, sometimes they are going out to "forget about blah blah blah." They could be in any sort of mood. A lot of times it is an obligation to go out and do something just because it is the night time and that is what people do.

The beach though....who goes to the beach when they are angry, or trying to forget about something? A lot of times I am a loner; I will go out and do things when I am pissy, but I have not gone to the beach ONCE without being in a giddy joyful mood. So you have that going, most women at the beach are really happy.

Forget the football playing "want to join" nonsense. That is American Pie and Fraternity shit. "WE," a collective group of those learning and practicing an ART, can come up with stuff better than that. My methods so far are no better than that, but those were cold approaches. We are no longer talking about cold approaches if you are scripting something :)

In the past I go for a single, which I am working on changing. Are you looking to go after set's or singles?
Author:  Locke [ Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:53 am ]
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Since you have a wing i would use a simple approach. Go up to her and say something like, "my friend thinks youcould through this football better then me, will you go ahead and prove to him you can't" with a smile. of course she likes the challenge. If she denies you, then make another neg. Either "do you not want to embarrase yourself," or " i wouldn't want to break a nail either if i had nails like you." Hopefully she'll then take the challenge.

If not, i'd move on because she might not be playful. I've closed a set on the beach once by simply saying, "are you to shy to come over and talk to me." You could try, "we've been playing catch for 15 minute. Why haven't you came over and asked to play yet?" If she says she doesn't want to maybe say, "You didn't look like the fun friend in the group."

Good call on examples. "You didn't look like an entertaining person anyway" LOlz!
Author:  Romeo7 [ Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:56 am ]
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If a girl gives you an advice on something, take it.
Specially if she's your good friend
Dude, there is no better feedback than a woman's.

Following her strategy may actually work...
Though it's not the only way to make it work for you

The Mystery Method is not only meant to work on Clubs and bars, it can work everywhere.

The problem is: You're seeing it from the wrong perspective

You see, there are two types of making of attraction:

Passive Attraction & Active Attraction

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Passion Attraction would be Social Leader, talking to another group near by (and ignoring her group when all the other guys hit on her), body languaje and so on , anything that doesn't involve direct interaction with your target.

Active Attraction would be negging her, DHV stories, DHV routines and games, C & F lines and so on. All of these must be of direct interaction with the target.

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They both work, it all depends on how you can adjust each one to your own convenience, for the right place at the right moment. I bet you were thinking.

Obviously if you start with Passive you will ALWAYS follow up with active, duh! Passive is just to get a head start and be something on her eyes before you even approach

Now that you have learned the difference between Active and Passive Attraction, do you understand why she wants you to start in a passive way? So you can start as "something" on her eyes before you even approach.

Now, of course you could just go ahead and start on ACTIVE, but that will take a bit more of work, if you wanna learn how to do this, just google "Approaching at the beach"

So, brother, focus on the PROCESS, not the lines.
Author:  djs13 [ Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:58 am ]
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Wow, thanks for the advice! At night I'm going to be playing some football and eyeing girls. If a girl eyes me and/or puts her self in proximity to myself I'm going to approach. But during the morning/day, I'll probably just be walking the beach.

Does anyone have any advice with an opener if me and my wing were walking in one direction along the water and a one or two set was walking parrallel to us but in the opposite direction? Obviously saying "hi" and waving is an easy way to make interaction, but moving targets (especially ones walking in the opposite direction) are difficult for opening.
Author:  dfitty [ Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:58 am ]
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i'm new to this whole thing, but if it were me i'd say, "we just came from that direction and there was nothing down. I wouldn't waste your time going any further." they might say, "well we just came from that direction and it was the same." Follow up with, "so where should we all go then? How about we all walk in a new direction together."
Author:  HiddenUnder [ Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:07 pm ]
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Good call on examples. "You didn't look like an entertaining person anyway" LOlz!
I think that can become an insult and not a neg. I don't see negs as insults.

I wouldn't ask her why she hasn't joined yet. That's just fucking obvious. No one offered and it rarely occurs that someone randomly joins a game.

I don't like the football game thing. You start playing football with her... now what? You going to "chat" her up while playing football. So, initially football was your center of attention and now she is?

Obviously scope a good looking girl that noticed you. You should be looking good and displaying good character among your friends and such. Then walk up to her casually and neg her right away. A good looking girl at the beach knows guys are checking them out. They're wearing practically nothing. So, you have to put her in her place right away.

Anyways, back to the football thing. Try this...

If she's eyeing you or gave you an IOI of some sort, then literally throw the ball at her without trying to actually hit her but enough for her to catch (funny things can happen here! :lol: ). Most likely she will not catch it and you can neg her instantly by saying... "So, you can't catch. Now, let's see if you can throw." While giving positive playful body language for her to throw it back. And when she does, catch the ball and walk up to her and start your approach or routine or whatever it is that you do. NOTE: Be sure to sit next to her or something. Don't stand next to her while she's laying there. Also, to release pressure, tell her you won't be long since you have to get back to the game.

I like that idea. I'm going to the beach this weekend. I'll try it. I hope she throws the ball good though because then you can throw a playful compliment in there. I'm not a fan of double negging consecutively.
Author:  zanlee11 [ Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Beachy
I actually tried this a week ago on the beach. You also need a wingman. While you were talking about a football, I was using a frisbee. My friend and I both tried it on each end and it worked 50 percent. So here goes.

We set up our towls and beach gear near at least two groups (two or more) of good looking girls, while also seeing an opening to play frisbee. Now get yourself in the game and be confident that this will work and confident in your attitude.

Have your friend throw the frisbee in the vicinity of the girls a couple times without actually getting that close to them. Eventually have your friend throw it basically to the girls. When you run over to get it, you will be face to face with them. Say something like "I'm sorry etc.." Then hvae him throw it really close to them again after a another minute" Then say something like "sorry again, my friend seems to be the worst person to play frisbee with" or whatever you want. If you get any sort of interest, a smile or a laugh for example, initiate your conversation. Use a friendly attitude not sleezey like your trying something.

You can then do whatever you feel the situation calls for, ask her to play, have a conversation, and like you you said before, use your negatives if she says no, you might just create an innocent challenge.

zannleee
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