Thanks guys! I appreciate the feedback
I tried it out again tonight and it really works like a charm. I got out of the night and I didn't even feel like I was sarging - it was just talking
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| Author: | Israel [ Sat Aug 04, 2007 4:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | The importance of "yes=yes" and "no=but" |
Hey guys, This is my first post in the forum. I've been sarging for a while - always on my own (somewhat regrettably) - and have just started seeing some success. I was reading through some of Style's stuff and through Kenton Knepper's "Completely Cold" - a book about cold readings and I found some interesting parallels that I thought I would share. There's a lot of information to go through and it can be a little bit confusing at first - If you get it though, I promise it's worth it. This is a mix of Style, Juggler, Knepper, and some of my own stuff. It works great both with girls and to win the trust of the guys they're with. One of my sticking points has always been keeping conversations going. I can usually go in and get an n-close or something, but I have trouble keeping up a conversation for more than 20-30 minutes. Yesterday I tried this new stuff with a girl who is completely my opposite and we ended up talking for like 2 hours. With this tactic you can make any girl relate to you. One of Style's ideas is that "no = maybe", and "yes = yes." I think this was adapted from Knepper's "no = but" and "yes = yes, and." So what does this all mean? For Style this means that you can never get a rejection - anytime a girl says no to one of your advances you brush it off lightly like it never happened and go right into another routine (dhv, ev, etc.). That way you are turning a no into a maybe. The yes=yes is self-explanatory in this case. Knepper's version of this is meant to do cold readings but helps more in conversation. I'll give the theory first and then some examples. The theory may be confusing but once you see the examples you should understand. 90/10 Principle: Juggler has the 90-10 principle which simply states that when you first approach a girl, you have to be ready to supply 90% of the conversation because until she warms up to you, she's only going to supply 10%. AFC's expect conversation to go as it "normally should" and only supply 50% of the conversation, hoping to get the same amount back. In this case - they supply 50% and the girl supplies 10% leaving the conversation at 60% and everything is downhill from there. "Yes = Yes, and": You're talking to a girl in normal blah blah conversation. You say something and she agrees with you (omg yea!, totally!, I know right?, etc.). This means "yes." Since we know that "yes=yes, and" what you do next is say "yea" and then go into another similar or related story or whatever to keep the conversation going. PUA: Yea, I have three dogs, they're pretty much the most awesome things in the world - definitely better than any girlfriend I've ever had. <----- On a side note, notice the embedded statement of disinterest and challenge -----> HB:Omg! I know! I love dogs, they're the cutest things in the world! <----- This is a yes, and now for the "yes, and" -----> PUA: Yea, one of my dog's is like the smartest and dumbest animal in the world at the same time. It knows how to jump up and use the faucet to get water, but at the same time we have this glass door in our backyard and everyday for the past three years whenever my dog wants to get into the house she runs full speed right into the glass door. <----- In the beginning you are giving the yes, and then you use the "and" to launch into another similar or related story -----> - Now the thing is, you don't want to be talking about dogs for 45 minutes. Sometimes if the conversation is great that's fine but that's not always the case. So while the HB is talking, you should be looking for other threads to go to. This means if you're talking about dogs and she says something about how her uncle from Tanzania had this crazy dog - stop talking about the dog! Interrupt her, steal the frame, and be like "What?!?! you have an uncle from Tanzania?!?!?" and this is your new conversation. "No=but": Now let's say the opposite happens. This is where it gets a little more tricky. You're having a normal blah-blah conversation and you tell a story or say something and she disagrees (Oh really?, I guess so, not so much, etc.). What you do here is you turn the no into a but. This is easier to explain if explain it with an example first. It turns out one of the girls I was talking to was pretty smart so we started talking about books. We talked about some intense books for a while and then I decided to change it to something lighter: PUA: I never know who will see eye to eye with me on this, but you seem to be enough of a geek to agree - I also love the Harry Potter books. HB: Oh no, I never really got into those - I kind of got tired of them halfway through the second book. <----- This is a no. Let's turn it into a "but" -----> PUA: Yea, but you see how those books have become ridiculous. They're like part of our culture now. <----- This is important. She gave me a no. In this one sentence, I didn't change my opinion at all. You should never change your opinion if a girl has a different one - this is actively lowering your value. If I had said "yea I don't really like them that much either - I would have been showing her that I'm trying to win her and that she's the prize. Instead, I used a but to move the conversation into something that I was likely to get a yes out of. -----> HB: Yea I totally know what you mean. <----- Now we turned a no into a but into a yes -----> PUA: Yea, I went to see the new movie the night it came out with some friends. It was nuuuuts. There were all these goth kids dressed up as Dumbledore and shit. <----- Now that we got a yes, we turned it into a "yes, and" -----> - At the end of the night we had talked about a shitload of stuff. In reality, we agreed on maybe like 5 out of 30 things but by the end of it she was telling me stuff like "I feel like we relate so well" "I feel like we're the same person!" This obviously turned into a kiss-close real fast. - There's one more little thing about this. This comes from Knepper's book. Knepper talks about wonder words and their ability to influence the way we think. When you turn a no into a but, you should use a wonder word. A wonder word is something like: see, notice, realize, understand. When you use these words in the sentence it makes whoever you're talking to more likely to agree because people agree with statements of fact more than anything else. PUA: Yea, but you see how those books... PUA: Yea, but you realize how those books... PUA: Yea, but you can understand how those books... PUA: Yea, but you notice how those books... Wow. That was a long-ass post. Anyway - hope it helps. Reply! Tell me what you think. |
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| Author: | Patho*GEN [ Sat Aug 04, 2007 8:31 pm ] |
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wow!! thanks! dats pure genius |
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| Author: | Riceforlife [ Sun Aug 05, 2007 2:02 am ] |
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Thats awesome man, when you can make the girl feel like she is building a real emotional connection with you, without having to use routines and such... it will turn into fclose real fast. Girls love being so mentally close to a guy. It turns them on. In fact, this is a great way to game a girl after you have done the usual opener/routine/ etc. Just start having a normal conversation, following the rules you posted.... and you wont have any problems. In fact you wont have to worry about OMG what routine should i use next? What should I say?? Was that Shit test??? This is the closest thing to natural gaming. =) |
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| Author: | Israel [ Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:40 am ] |
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Thanks guys! I appreciate the feedback I tried it out again tonight and it really works like a charm. I got out of the night and I didn't even feel like I was sarging - it was just talking |
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| Author: | smokedoutabear [ Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:57 pm ] |
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This is genius. I'm going to get that book. Good post! |
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| Author: | Israel [ Sun Aug 05, 2007 6:00 pm ] |
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Yea it's pretty good - I have to warn you though, the book itself isn't actually about conversation. It's about how to "read people's minds" which if you get good at I'm sure is an incredible dhv - but I just noticed that the shit he talks about relates to conversation a lot. |
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| Author: | Chikito [ Sun Aug 05, 2007 6:10 pm ] |
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This is revolutionary. This seriously eliminates all my comfort routines and rewrites it all into a super simple format where I can make any girl think she 'relates' to me without...good god...this is solid gold. Definate Rep point for you dude! This is wow. LOL. |
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| Author: | Strive [ Sun Aug 05, 2007 7:57 pm ] |
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That info is great. Awesome job! When you're doing it what else do you throw in? How are you building sexual tension? |
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| Author: | Israel [ Mon Aug 06, 2007 3:11 pm ] |
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Thanks . You can throw in pretty much whatever else you want while you're doing this. I make sure there's a lot of kino going on and also this one has been a personal favorite of mine:One of the good methods I read about for building sexual tension is to have her feel feelings she would have when she was aroused and another is to get her to picture having sex with you. I'm 19 so a lot of the girls I hang out with are still with their parents a lot. So we'll start talking about her parents and I'll ask if they're strict about drinking, smoking, going out, blah blah blah. Then: PUA: Yea, my parents are ridiculous. My mom used to walk in on me and my ex all the time but she would never get mad or anything - she would just like walk around cleaning the room haha. It was awkwaaaaard. HB: Haha, blah blah blah. PUA: What about you? What are your parents like with that? Like, if you and I were going at it in your room - like hardcore, sweaty, passionate sex - you're getting into it and going crazy... and then your dad walks in haha. What would he do? <----- don't be afraid to go into detail here - as long as it's not too ridiculous and as long as you do it with one of those goofy smiles on your face so it's not an intimidating conversation -----> I think it's a pretty decent way of getting her to picture sex with you while still keeping the conversation jovial and whatnot. What do you think? |
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| Author: | Strive [ Mon Aug 06, 2007 5:18 pm ] |
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So it's just a matter of paying attention to the conversation so you can lead the topic to a sexual situation? |
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| Author: | Israel [ Mon Aug 06, 2007 5:49 pm ] |
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Oh no - I'm saying the method in itself works pretty well to get girls feeling comfortable around you, but while you're doing it you can throw in whatever other routines you want like that one or you can throw in the cube, readings, magic... w/e you want. |
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| Author: | Ecko [ Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:03 pm ] |
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hmm man that was solid, kinda what i was learning all sumed up, deff set me in the right direction. great post ecko |
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| Author: | Jack [ Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:54 pm ] |
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yeah man. I have been skimmin these forums for a few days and this is the most useful post I have read so far. GOod job and thanks for making it easy to understand |
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| Author: | BUITRE [ Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:21 am ] |
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nice post... thanks dude keep em comming |
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| Author: | Brandonjg [ Sun Aug 12, 2007 10:02 am ] |
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thats pretty awesome... Im definately going to use some of this stuff...good work |
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