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Author:  ImNaShitFool [ Wed Mar 04, 2009 1:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Are There Any Rules Of Opening?
I Really dont wanna use any Openers That I didnt Make myself, But lucky for me, I can probably think of some good shit myself.

But I just need to know What your really going for with openers? What should you avoid?
Author:  zhukaching [ Wed Mar 04, 2009 1:05 pm ]
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the truth is, if you're confident enough, you can open with almost anything. imagine a nerdy geek walk up to a girl and throw a pick up line, at the same time mystery walk up to another girl and throw it... you get what i mean?
Author:  They Call Me Smooth [ Wed Mar 04, 2009 1:54 pm ]
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There is no real rules because each woman in each situation can be different. The opener is nothing more then a way to start a conversation with a woman. Who cares how you do it as long as it works.
Author:  Marc [ Thu Mar 05, 2009 5:23 am ]
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I Absolutely avoid sexual connotations in openers.

A lot of people avoid praising physical beauty in openers, such as "you look pretty, you look beautiful, nice legs, etc.".

Though I have opened w/ "Beautiful eyes" successfully a couple of times.

It all boils down to body language and where you take the conversation from there.
Author:  -Achilles [ Wed Mar 11, 2009 4:56 pm ]
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the only rule is the 3 Second Rule.

Everything else is guidence. As a quick glance:
-Don't peck when talking or listening.
-Don't point the set with your body for the first 30 seconds (running the opener)
-Always use false time constraint (verbal or physical)

This is the generical scheme of the approach:

Opener + False Time constraint + Neg if possible

Then if they're engaged point the set, always keeping your alphaness (?) and stack a routine.
Author:  JSmooth [ Wed Mar 11, 2009 5:39 pm ]
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As it has been implied you can literally open with anything. You can open with some random fact like, "I love nintendo!", opinion opener, direct, situational, or even just using light kino.

If you do use an opinion style opener make sure to ground it. By grounding it I mean you need a basic sentence that explains why you are asking them IE "My buddies and I were just talking about this..." or something like that. If you just walk up and ask a question it's super obvious you're hitting on them.

Well, truthfully if you walk into a venue and straight up to the hot girls in the back of the bar, you'd be obviously hitting on them too, but that's another thread.

Remember to keep your openers under a few minutes. The longer it takes the easier it is to loose the set, espeically in a night venue.

***3 Second Rule is also a guideline just to help with AA*** You can hang back and open after 3 seconds without any problem, but you should be in a set.

A verbal False Time Constraints certainly help when you are starting out, but non-verbal (body rocking) is just as good like Teague said.
Author:  The Bachelor's Code [ Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:38 pm ]
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I think the "rules" were pretty much covered, confidence being the most important. Confident and fun I think works the best, even better than confident and cool.

So if I could say anything about approaching, don't look at it as a task, as a job, as something that has to be done....Just have fun when you go out. Talk to girls (approach them) because you want to talk. What you say hardly matters at all. Girls want to talk to a guy that is having fun, and don't let any one girl's reactions effect your emotions and your mood.

An insecure man will not approach a girl because they don't want to hurt their pride.

An alpha male will approach whoever he want because no girl has any effect on his pride or his emotions at all.
Author:  APowell [ Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:56 pm ]
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I agree with the poster above. If you show confidence and start anything resembling a decent conversation, only good can happen. You may not have her in bed at the end of the night, but a k-close or n-close is very possible.
Author:  Mr. Natural [ Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:31 pm ]
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When I had gotten over AA, I started visualizing my game from the end to the beginning. Depending on what you are trying to accomplish will affect how you should start a set. For me a funny opener was much better for getting a number close and day 2 after building rapport and comfort, whereas direct openers after practice seemed to work for SNL's. I added to the exercise by imagining how the conversation would take place if the whole thing was on mute. See when you first meet a person, very little should be placed on what you say (unless you say something extreme like you have nice tits), and more on how you say it. I imagined I had just won the lottery, had three booty calls lined up after the club, and was going to Hawaii for a week long vacation the next day. The result was that it put me in a state that made it much easier to pick up women. It took some time for my mind to make use the visualizations, but once it did, my game improved dramatically.
Author:  TheDoc [ Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:56 am ]
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The rule is know your goals and remember what a good opener is.

Good Opener:

1) Non threatening
2) A way to prove you're different then every other AFC hitting on her

- Cocky funny
- Negs
Author:  Tallahassee [ Sat Mar 14, 2009 11:22 pm ]
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Basically you want to avoid anything with sexual innuendo because that just makes the girl uncomfortable

I would strongly advise if you are just a beginner that you avoid direct openers. if you use a direct opener it's not the end of the world, you usually just have to work harder if your target is hotter than a 7 or 8 out of 10.

indirect openers are great for all levels because it's easy to just pull out of a set when things start going down hill, as you can just deny that you ever were intentionally hitting on them.

and thats what i have to say about openers

Peace,
WIN
Author:  Temur/Jeskai [ Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:42 am ]
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I can't disagree with you more Win. Read the the sexual attraction sticky in the Mid-Game section. The more you use innuendo, the more you will become comfortable doing so. Use sexual stuff early and often if you are looking to get laid quickly, if not well, through it out there as the set progresses. If you don't you will be friend-zoned. My best advice is to not take my advice and just read the aforementioned sticky.
Author:  TheDoc [ Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:34 am ]
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I'm with slie on this one, especially for a beginner.

It is too easy for a beginner to fall into the friend zone.

One thing I've learned is you want the girl seeing you as an intimate and romantic interest off the bat.

It's so much easier to set the tone and have her thinking of you as a possible mate early. It is very hard to go from meeting, to friend, and then mate.

With sexual innuendo, the friend aspect is there, things like comfort, trust and safety still have the potential to be set, but there is that other element. This element will remain constant and consistent the entire time (goes back to adding it to a friend zone situation-difficult)

It's late, does this writing make sense?
Author:  Wild_one [ Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:36 pm ]
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I'm with slie on this one, especially for a beginner.

It is too easy for a beginner to fall into the friend zone.

One thing I've learned is you want the girl seeing you as an intimate and romantic interest off the bat.

It's so much easier to set the tone and have her thinking of you as a possible mate early. It is very hard to go from meeting, to friend, and then mate.

With sexual innuendo, the friend aspect is there, things like comfort, trust and safety still have the potential to be set, but there is that other element. This element will remain constant and consistent the entire time (goes back to adding it to a friend zone situation-difficult)

It's late, does this writing make sense?
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