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Author:  sundayraver [ Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:54 pm ]
Post subject:  CRASH AND BURN :(
OK, so me and a friend were in a club, plucked up the courage to open a hb 7 and it went a little like this...

ME - ( tap tap)
HER - turns round
ME- (forgets line lol ) errr errr do you think its normal to argue in a relationship?
HER - Yes - bla bla bla
ME - (fluff talk about me and a friend disagreeing saying I find it weird how ppl argue in the honeymoon period)
HER - (head nod turns round) -- i knew i was losing her at this point
HER - Yea well u argue with your friends
ME - you argue with your friends??? (suprised look - then said some shit about her being in the big brother house)
HER - (turns round walks off!)

Made good eye contact, not sure if i smiled enough forgetting my opener wasnt the best move, i had her waiting for a couple of seconds lol

Where did I go wrong :evil:
Author:  medlife [ Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:56 pm ]
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the tap tap part, scratch that one off, should've just went up to her and asked her and talk right to her ear since you're in a club. secondly you froze up forgot you line, if you did freeze up, the approach wasnt bad at all, i like it, you should just give a little extra creativity, all in all i think u're doing well, just keep at it, keep em screaming.
Author:  osiris [ Fri Jun 15, 2007 5:01 pm ]
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Sounds liek with that "errr errr" to me you didnt have 100% confidence in yourself and she say through you to that.
Author:  TonyStarks [ Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:26 am ]
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next time try approaching from the front instead of behind
Author:  Action! [ Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:28 am ]
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You opened with no preamble. Something like "hey, I need a female opinion on something, my friend and I dissagree..." would help you out lots. Puts your opinion opener into context, makes it less random.
And yes, the shoulder tap was probably a bad idea. If you want to get her attention from behind, lightly grip her arm, get better kino going that simply a shoulder tap.
Author:  Slipfinger [ Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:45 am ]
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Yuck canned openers hate them way to much, a great opener I usally use is

as you aproach a 2 set or 3 set you will see the person holding the highers social value in the group (usally the one talking aloud, making the set laugh)

and as your about to enter you go

NO WAY thats true..when did that happen?!

considering girls gossip or talk about them doing something this a good hitter :P she'll either respond

"yeah it happend"

then its easy from here!

just ask a few questions share something incomen, like my set last weekend

2 girls one hb8 and a hb7 were talking about something, so as I pass them I overhear something the blonde said, so i pass them by half a meter and turn around and said

"No way, is that true?"

so here its sink or swim, if she goes "go fuck yourself" she shows insecurity, but as it worked fine with my set, she responded

"yeah it happend a few months ago while I was in germany"

Now it was easy street for me, I made a simple geasture to my wing to join the convo, so here we were talking to 2 girls we just met like we've known them for ages, we brought them for a afterparty the same night, this routine is good if used properly.

SF
Author:  Giacomo [ Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:40 am ]
Post subject:  Wait...
I really like the sound of that slipfinger. If you used a really cocky funny attitude with a look of amazement on your face it would work on almost any set I imagine.
But I think you just contradicted yourself. You said you hate using canned openers and then just advocated using the 'Now way thats true!!!' opener.
Regardless, its quality.
Also, Action is right. Root the damn opener! There has to be a reason for asking otherwise you get a 'Why the fuck is this guy asking me this?' reaction.
Cept I don't know about Kinoing so early, I like to start kino when at least some attraction is being shown, not straight up.
Author:  Difference [ Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:46 am ]
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Let's take Actions idea, and use it AFTER we have approached from a slighty non direct front. I can't count how many times in The Game they harp on about direction of approach.
Author:  sundayraver [ Sat Jun 16, 2007 9:46 pm ]
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Good replies fellas thanks, yea the tap was probs the wrong move, its just i watched Tylers dvd this week and he suggested similar to open sets tho his way was a bit smoother lol

Still at least Im learning where im going wrong, but nevertheless im suprised she just walked off looking miserable, i mean i can have a good laugh with pretty much any guy, so why are girls so wierd about chattin to strangers !
Author:  Reddro [ Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:02 am ]
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its not that the girls are weird about chattin with dudes, its the fact that the way you approach them from the start has a lot to do with looking needy. what everyone posted on here was all about your approach. when you are nervous you give off the feeling of needy. its just that simple. don't fidget, don' studder, and not to be mean cuz i was once here don't forget the lines. it showed the girl that you were nervous and that you were using somthing made up. it was a total DLV.

Reddro
Author:  Saros [ Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:20 pm ]
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the unhappy face at the end of the title should be a :) Shit happens - I enjoy crash and burns just cuz they are what they are. The first c&b's sting the most but eventually you get used to them and learn to accept them. Ive had a few good laughs over em.

Once you start feeling better in field, the smaller things dont really bother you. (inner game!)

so learn the lessons this crash and burn taught you and move on. simple. :p
Author:  Persuasive [ Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:27 pm ]
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Yeah man, we've all had crash and burns. Don't sweat it. Don't let it slow you down.

When I talk to girls in clubs, I don't use those openers personally. I've found that a lot of girls don't want to talk intellectual stuff, it's usually simple, although there are exceptions. Hmm, my last few openers that I closed with in a club were as follows:

*Old school song plays*
Me: "You're probably too young to remember this song."
HB: "No, I remember this song! How old do you think I am?"

*I see a bartender I recognize, not working, and in a different club*
Me: "Can I have a rum and coke please?"
HB: "What?!? You remember me? How'd you know I was a bartender?"

*I see yet another bartender that I recognize at another club*
Me: "So you can shake your ass AND mix drinks well? I remember you from X club"
HB: "Yeah, I work at X club! My name is <name>"
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