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| Author: | Stems [ Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Direct openers thread |
Wanted to start a thread of sample direct openers cos lately i've learned the value of being direct. I think its cos a lot of the time i've caught girls giving me huge EC, or proximity, even to the point they've followed me around the club... Rather than fuck around with opinion openers, and routines n shit i'd rather get right to the point... But i dont really know that many direct approaches apart from the few i seen on here, so lets hear em |
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| Author: | Solomon II [ Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:25 am ] |
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I have a thread on direct game in this section already. Direct isn't about openers. It's about the interaction as a whole, and gearing it in an honest, up front, and unapolagetic manner from start to finish. I'll say it again... it's not about openers. It's about making your intentions clear in a non-creepy manner, bypassing her shit tests, and not backing down or getting defensive nomatter what she says. The main strength of direct game is in the underlying attitude that you know she wants you - cos if she didn't, then she wouldn't be standing there testing you. With indirect game, you are being pleasant and appealing, and she likes you for that... so you have to look for IOI's and get her to qualify to make sure she likes you before escalating, and as I've discussed before, she doesn't always necessarily like you in *that* way so your efforts are wasted sometimes. With direct, however, you lay your cards out right from the start . As long as she stays there talking, testing you, she is displaying some level of intrigue... and that's the only IOI you need. If she's not attracted, she will just walk off (often pretending to be a lot more offended than she actually is), and this saves you a hell of a lot of time. There's a little saying that "the more you get rejected, the more you get laid", and it is very true indeed. I'm not ashamed to say I get blown out by like 2 or 3 out of 5 girls I approach, because the ones who appreciate a pair of good old fashioned brass balls that scream "I'm a god damn animal and my intention is to eat your pussy and fuck you till you can't stand up" are really taken aback by it - and they are very, very enthusiastic about getting together. You can set up a day 2 and get to know a girl over coffee or paintballing or whatever if you like, but I much prefer to do it in the comfort of my own home (or hers). |
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| Author: | Stems [ Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:52 am ] |
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any specific examples on being direct? |
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| Author: | Solomon II [ Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:23 am ] |
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Quote: any specific examples on being direct?
I dunno if you want me to go through an actual interaction or what, but the most recent cold approach I did was kinda like this... I have a good memory for conversations, it's handy.This was down the street from where I live, cute girl with a shopping bag (a rare sight since this is a small town with fuck all shops) Me: Hey, I gotta ask you something. Girl: Um, ok? Me: Well, I was just wondering how you're doing today. Girl: Haha that's really random, why? Me: Cos, I wanna see if you're in a good mood or not, but you're smiling so that's usually a good sign. Girl: Yeah, usually... Me: So what's in the bag? Or do I not wanna know? Girl: Haha nooo it's ***** (edited for security purposes lolz) Me: Well, that's interesting... you normally shop here? Cos you know you can get this thing called a bus into belfast and they have biiiiig shops, you coulda got a much nicer one. Girl: Haha shut up! I know but it's handy cos I live like, right down there. Me: Uh huh... well listen, I could talk to you all day about your fabulous stuff you bought and why you're shite at travelling, I really could, but seriously... I'd really rather we just got together some time instead. Cos that'd be fun. Girl: Haha oh my god... that's terrible, I don't even know who you are! Me: And? Girl: I dunno, you could be crazy or something! Me: So why are you still talking to me then? Girl: I dunno, cos I just am. Me: Yeah, ok. I'm free later on and on tuesday, pick one. Girl: Pick one? Me: Pick one. Girl: Haha why? Me: Cos if you don't pick one we gotta do both. Girl: What's wrong with that? Me: Good point. I'll see you at 7 then? Girl: Haha yeah right! Tuesday's actually better cos I... (security purposes again lulz) Me: Yeah alright. So whatcha wanna do? Girl: I dunno, what do you wanna do? Me: You should never ask a man that. Girl: Oh god, why? Me: Heh. I'll give you a ring later on and we can talk all about it, how's that? Girl: No tell me! Me: Number please. (handing her the phone at this point) Girl: Haha fine but you better tell me! Me: I sure will... oh, and I'm Mike, by the way. Got her name, told her I'd call later, got moving. This took a few minutes, I wouldn't say any more than 5. So I called her later that night, talked about what I had for dinner and did the small talk thing. Then she asked what we were gonna do, and after some discussion she told me the thing she had to do that night suddenly didn't need done anymore... I treated that as an invitation to come over and I actually did end up over there keeping her company. Awesome. I could give you a ton of examples like this, but hopefully that gives you a decent idea of how things go without me having to. And I could tell you about that phone conversation, but you really should be able to figure that out. |
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| Author: | twoplustwo [ Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:23 pm ] |
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Really sick Sol, good work. |
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| Author: | bongo the banjo [ Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:17 pm ] |
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+1 |
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| Author: | kowalski [ Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Direct? |
That was an indirect opener followed by some SOIs. Don't get me wrong it was pretty cool, kudos to you man. Very similar to Juggler's stuff, which I like. But, to be clear, you presented yourself as cool and funny before the SOI, thus building attraction. Direct is more like 'Hi I had to stop you because you look interesting. I like the way you dress, I think it's sexy. What's your name?' Peace |
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| Author: | Solomon II [ Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:14 pm ] |
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I see where you're coming from. In my opinion, an indirect opener is one which doesn't make her automatically think "this guy is about hit on me" - the only truly indirect openers are opinions, asking for directions, if she's seen your dog that ran away, that kinda stuff. That's the way I see it, anyway. It's worth noting the way I was talking when I asked how she was doing, the cheeky grin... the subcommunication was not that of a guy who just wanted to have a friendly conversation on the way down the road. I mean, who just approaches a girl from across the street to ask that anyway? She knew damn well I was hitting on her. A sort of subcommunicative SOI, if you will. God I love big words. And like I said, direct isn't so much about openers as it is the whole thing coming together... if you make your intentions clear without beating around the bush and not giving a shit about building rapport, comfort, and so on, you're being direct. Sure, I make a bit of stuational small talk if I can; I like a bit of banter so I don't come off all serious and shit. I did so in that instance because I actually wanted to know what was in the bag, haha... I'm nosy, I know. If it wasn't for the bag though, I woulda got right to it after asking how she was doing; cos there wasn't much else to talk about. That's the way I do it 9 times outta 10 - but sometimes you just have to throw those little extra bits in. Would it have gone down the exact same way if I left out the small talk? You bet your ass. |
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