Thank you very much guys! Looking forward to test these again next week
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| Author: | jinzxii [ Wed Dec 24, 2008 2:19 pm ] |
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Hey guys, I am new to the forums. I only have been recently interested in the game.. Recently me and a group of mates decided to go out to a club for some sarging experience. This was my first time doing it so i was fairly nervous, we were taking turns in picking out sets... Came my turn i noticed a nice 2 set standing near the stairs... I was tipsy at the time but I would rate them 7 7.. I was fairly nervous in my head at the time but I remembered the 3 second rule. 1...2.... "Hey ladies, sorry to be random but can I get your opinion on something real quick? "Sure.. What is it? "Do you think that I am short for an asian?" "No, we think your the perfect height *giggles* "Really? Everyone has told me I was fairly short" "No no, You are the perfect height!" "Thanks, So how is your night? (My friend told me NEVER ask how is their night????) "Oh we are having fun" "Oh cool, this is my first time in a club that plays these type of music" (This club played a mixed selection of 80's 90's retro dance) "Oh do you like this type of music?" "Ah Yeah sure, it is hard for me to dance to it though haha" But you got to try to have fun I leaned forward and wrapped my hands around each girls shoulder and told them I need to get back with my mates and that I will see them later.. They both gave me a peck on the cheek and we parted. When I came home, I really regretted not continue talking and possible perform a number close. I knew i could of have said something like "Can you show me how to dance etc or something" This was my very FIRST experience approaching any women in the club, while out clubbing I would usually be the quite asian guy standing in the corner holding a bottle of beer bopping to the music.. Can anyone recommend me any more tips and advice to keep the conversation flowing? Thanks! |
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| Author: | PickUpGuy [ Wed Dec 24, 2008 5:10 pm ] |
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Hey. For your first set this is pretty good going. You managed to open them and from what i gather you got an IoI. I got the feeling that you ejected a little too early considering you got an IoI. If you want to progress quickly you have to force yourself through the awkwardness and your confort zone. But nonetheless a good start. ok, here's a few tips. --- "Hey ladies, sorry to be random but can I get your opinion on something real quick? You should never start with "hey ladies" it shows your intentions. Say "Hey Guys" even if it is an all girl set. You want your opener to be as neutral as possible. You then go on to appologise. Don't do this. what you should use her is an FTC (false time constraint). E.g "I've got to get back to my friends in a second but..." this is also a subtle DHV because it shows that your friends wait on you. You then ask to ask a question. Remember the PUA is an alpha male. he does not need permission to ask a question. The opener should be as follows. "hey guys, i need to get back to my friends in a seconds but, do you think i'm short for an asian?" or words to that affect. --- "No, we think your the perfect height *giggles* "Really? Everyone has told me I was fairly short" "No no, You are the perfect height!" so they respond positively which is good and give you an IoI/compliment and you have them laughing. good job so far. this is where you need to transition the conversation to another thread. "OMG are you hitting on me?" would be perfect in this situation. call her out for complimenting you so easily. Trust me this would get another laugh from them and probably a playful slap. Even better you turn to the obstacle and ask "Is she hitting on me?" "Is she always like this". I would then tell a DHV story about one of my friends who always hits on me eventhough she has a boyfriend. You can take this practically anywhere. You might considering pointing something out about her "OMG you look exactly like my little sister...thats so cute...i'm going to adopt you" just be playful and keep the conversation interesting. The into a DHV story about the time you helped your sister out of trouble. You could also say..."that interesting let me see your hand" and then do the Ring Routine. Which is a popular routine. Do a search of the forum. By saying people say you're fairly short you are DLVing yourself. --- "Thanks, So how is your night? (My friend told me NEVER ask how is their night????) Hmm...i dunno about this question. I personally wouldn't ask it unless i'm walking around lording it as though i own the club trying to build social proof. "How do you guys know each other?" This can then lead to conversation topics. Or alternatively you could do the best friends test another popular routine --- "Ah Yeah sure, it is hard for me to dance to it though haha" as a general rule, don't dance. the dancefloor is a trap. "Can you show me how to dance etc or something" this would have been a DLV. But its good that you recognise that you need to have kino early on in the pickup. what you should have been doing is using light kino i.e. social touching google "The DiCarlo Kino Escalation Ladder" for more info. Hope this helps. Any Questions...please ask. |
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| Author: | d3sign3r [ Wed Dec 24, 2008 7:59 pm ] |
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Hey Jinzxii, welcome to the forums, I am pretty new myself, great job opening! You did well there. Quick and Simple If you are just starting to learn, try to keep it nice and simple. Personally, I would do a bit of research around these forums and find a few Openers, a few Routines and a few Disqualifiers that you like, learn then, REMEMBER them and field test them. It is very easy to get lost in all this pick-up material, so learn just a few well, which will give you a much better chance of remembering them when the time comes. Learn 3 good openers Learn 3 good little routines/stories/tricks/DHVs Learn 3 good disqualifiers. One of my favourite at the moment is “Good Girl / Bad Girl”, its very simple, you can just say “so who is the good girl and who is the bad girl... you look like the bad girl, you have an evil glint in your eye” and you can bust them for it. It usually opens up into a small conversation and It usually gets a laugh. But you need to find openers/routines that you feel comfortable with. Once you have the above memorised you can fit them around your natural game and when you find yourself running out of things to say you can dip into your toolkit and use one of your memorised routines. Having those 9 things memorised, next time you go out you will feel a lot more confident. |
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| Author: | jinzxii [ Thu Dec 25, 2008 12:48 am ] |
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Thank you very much guys! Looking forward to test these again next week
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| Author: | BoBQQ [ Thu Dec 25, 2008 1:40 am ] |
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Hey PickupGuy, tell me your opinion on this 1: "Hey guys, I've got to get back to my friends in a second but... I'm wondering... why does every girl love twilight so (fucking?) much?!" This is obviously going to be a highschool opener only, I was also thinking of using the same frame except with Edward Cullen, but would that be a DLV? Tell me what you think of that. Also I'm wondering, if you went into a 2-set with an opener and right off the bat you get an IOI from target, should you keep negging and DHV'ing or just go straight into C1? And lastly, what happens when you get IOI's from your obstacle? Do you switch your target? Thanks for your time -Awesome |
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| Author: | PickUpGuy [ Thu Dec 25, 2008 11:56 pm ] |
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"Hey guys, I've got to get back to my friends in a second but... I'm wondering... why does every girl love twilight so (fucking?) much?!" I think this should work fine. I'm not too familiar with twilight and others might not me, it took me a second to realise you were talking about a film. so you might want to say "why does every girl love that film twilight so much?" I wouldn't say fuck either. The first 3 minutes of the interaction will form their first impressions of you. so make it a good impression. You can practically ask anything for the opener as long as the delivery is good i.e. good tonality, body language, eye contact, etc. This would also work with Edward Cullen instead of Twilight. ----- Quote: Also I'm wondering, if you went into a 2-set with an opener and right off the bat you get an IOI from target, should you keep negging and DHV'ing or just go straight into C1?
Negging is a fine art. Over do it and you lose the set. Done correctly it works wonders. This really depends on the IoI and you calibrating the necessary responce. If she gives you a very positive IoI then i would assume that she finds me attractive and of equal or high value that herself. Hence, no need to neg. I would personally DHV until she starts to qualify herself or has shown several IoI's. Mystery teaches that 3 IoI's are needed to move to A3. But again i think knowing when to do this is more down to experience and not rules like this. To then move to comfort she has to qualify herself, i.e. give you reason to what to talk to her and find her attractive. Think of this as the girl trying to DHV to get your attraction. You then respond give her an IoI when you feel she has worked hard enough for your interest. Remember you are the prize and she must gain your attraction. ----- Quote: And lastly, what happens when you get IOI's from your obstacle? Do you switch your target?
I think this is up to you. It really depends on several things. e.g. how hot is the obstacle? do i want her? how long have i been in set? how is the target responding? If i got an IoI early on i'd think nothing of it. I would keep the same target. If she know her friend is interested in you, she'll be able to instinctively tell, then she will likely become attracted also. Befriend the obstacle. In two sets this is very important. If things were less successful with the target and the obstacle was also attractive i would change target. But i'd say this is difficult to do for a number of reasons. Someone is bound to disagree with this statement. But i'd eject and game another set and re-open that set later when i have more social proof should i wish to. its much easier that way. Hope this Helps |
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