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Author:  nathan_asher [ Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:50 pm ]
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hey guys, just thought id drop a post here befor i head out for a sarge. my friends finished work heaps late so will be in the city at 1am!

is it just me.. or do normal PUA routines/openers ect NOT work when it gets later in the night?
i went sarging the last 2 weeks in a row and the first time was much easier than the 2nd for the fact that my wing and i arrived to the club much earlier. i think the SPAM is different. earlier on people seem to be more interested in socialising on a straight level. which i find they are more switched on when it comes to aknowledging your PUA moves...
where later on in the night alot of the HB's pretty much let everything go over there head, prolly due to alchohol consumtion and some of em get tired earlie!

what are ur thoughts?
Author:  The Omega Man [ Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:37 pm ]
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I have heard someone giving advice on YouTube saying that it is a mistake to go out late because women tend to head out early.
Author:  Entice [ Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:46 pm ]
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Maybe the women are more drunk? Tired of being approached by AFC's seeing as its late on in the night. How many times that night do you think they've been hit on already? Then you come along, she's going to give you less time than the guy before you. The line of losers that have approached her tonight will be much bigger than the line, if you approached her earlier on in the night ;) So because of this reason, thats why it is harder. However TD's theory of buying temperature contradicts my argument of them becoming bored of lame attempts all night and shooting you down much earlier than previously anticipated. TD's theory means that the girls Buying Temperature (BT) would have been going up all night. So your game should be made easier, but it's not. The only logical explanation that I can say answers this is that all girls are different. Maybe its your approach bro, maybe you just had a bad night. I always have bad nights, sometime I think its my whole game completely. But then I think no, its just one night. Keep your head up, sarge on.

- Entice
Author:  V1V [ Sat Dec 13, 2008 9:31 pm ]
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The main issue is not only the bitch sheild for being hit on, but the protection. Thats a dangerous time to be wandering the streets. And im sure you can understand how she must feel with some random man walking up to her. Im not even joking, i was debatin this last night!!! I attempted to sarge on a hb9 ant 3 in the morning at a bus stop in london! I used my most successful opener - and nothing. Social dynamic homeostasis comes in to play, thats the biggest issue.
Concentrate completely on the protection guards she has. Clothing actually has a large amount to do with it, if you follow the 3sr then she only has 3s to judge whether to blow you off or not. She will assess clothing, posture, and other means of non verbal communication such as eye contact and pace. List the things that you think a stereotyped ''dangerous'' guy would possess, and disown all of them for that particular sarge. It is a stereotype that the ''dangerous'' guys walk around at that time. Dont be a victim of it. Make your opener indirect to take care of the sheild, bring her back to her youth with it so she can avoid the worries her world at night as it is today eg. need an opinion and you look like the type - the best child show of your younger days? - make your clothing innocent - no black or red or chavvy/ gangsta stuuf/ no spikes gothic etc.
And for fucks sake dont approach her head on, go in from the side yeah??
Author:  V1V [ Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:25 pm ]
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Topliner has just pointed out to me that it would change if you are on holiday or somewhere that it is considered a norm to be sociallising at that time. Agreed! Completely context dependant. Still, careful not to intimidate, even somewhere as nice as the carribean has its - er - mean sides. lol.
Author:  Stormy [ Sun Dec 14, 2008 2:16 am ]
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Those girls want to get hit on! Go go go!

Is closing time approaching? Then guess what that means...

IT'S TIME TO CLOSE.

Think logistics here. It's getting late. You don't have much time to game. You can't run a full attract-rapport-whatever set. And you've got a club full of drunk girls who are hoping that a cool guy will come up to them and make their night.

They want to get laid. Why do you think they're still dancing and drinking in the wee hours of the night? Why do you think they aren't settling for a nice one-on-one rapport-heavy chit-chat?

Because it's CLOSING TIME.

Which means that IT'S TIME TO CLOSE.

Which means FOOL'S MATE GAME.

Forget indirect openers. You need to get physical, you need to get a sexual vibe going, and you need that girl to know that she'll get laid if she sticks with you. There must be no doubt in her mind about this.

Late night is not fun chitchat time. This is not when indirect gamers pull. This is when drunk neanderthal jocks with no social fears pull. This is when the club becomes a jungle. And you've got to be a fucking lion.

Direct openers. Immediate kino. Shock and Awe. Apocalypse opener. "I am trying so hard not to kiss you right now" (LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES AFTER OPENING).

When it gets that late, you're working against a deadline. You don't have time to worry about not being blown out. You need to let your balls swing free.

You need to CLOSE.
Author:  V1V [ Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:49 pm ]
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Forget indirect openers. You need to get physical, you need to get a sexual vibe going, and you need that girl to know that she'll get laid if she sticks with you. There must be no doubt in her mind about this.

Late night is not fun chitchat time. This is not when indirect gamers pull. This is when drunk neanderthal jocks with no social fears pull. This is when the club becomes a jungle. And you've got to be a fucking lion.

Direct openers. Immediate kino. Shock and Awe. Apocalypse opener. "I am trying so hard not to kiss you right now" (LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES AFTER OPENING).

When it gets that late, you're working against a deadline. You don't have time to worry about not being blown out. You need to let your balls swing free

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A. They will call the police on you.

B. You will succeed in taking advantage of a drunk girl which any loser could do.

Classy man.
Author:  Stormy [ Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:34 pm ]
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A. They will call the police on you.
That's never happened to me. Ever. No cops, no bouncers. Fear of non-issue bullshit like this is what causes AA.
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B. You will succeed in taking advantage of a drunk girl which any loser could do.
Aww, shit. My bad. I thought I was in this to get laid. I didn't know I was supposed to be in it to do "impressive" pickups. Damn. And if "any loser" can rush down a drunk girl, why are we even bothering with pickup?
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Classy man.
I aim to impress.
Author:  xfman [ Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:35 pm ]
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hey guys, just thought id drop a post here befor i head out for a sarge. my friends finished work heaps late so will be in the city at 1am!

is it just me.. or do normal PUA routines/openers ect NOT work when it gets later in the night?
i went sarging the last 2 weeks in a row and the first time was much easier than the 2nd for the fact that my wing and i arrived to the club much earlier. i think the SPAM is different. earlier on people seem to be more interested in socialising on a straight level. which i find they are more switched on when it comes to aknowledging your PUA moves...
where later on in the night alot of the HB's pretty much let everything go over there head, prolly due to alchohol consumtion and some of em get tired earlie!

what are ur thoughts?

I think you are talking about alcohol consumption and many times later in the night most of the HBs have been gamed or well approached by many drunk guys so they are kind of pissed but yeah I get your point and I think it DO change if you arrived later.
Author:  sebaqe [ Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:48 pm ]
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Yeah I went out last night at 1 am on the dot i got into the club. So by that time the night was in full fire for most people. First set I opened one of the girls was drunk and she was smiling at me from ear to ear and could barely stand up and her friend was trying to make up for her. (when i went in i couldn't tell how drunk they were).

Then another set they clearly seemed like they were looking for something but it wasn't my routines...

So I would have to say... Stormy I think you're right.
Author:  V1V [ Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:53 pm ]
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You in this just to get laid. Thats what you think social dynamics is all about huh. And you think that its fine to take advantage of some girl, well friend let me tell you something. If your in the game to get laid by going for the drunk ones, then fine. But if you going bout it like that - youve got damn no right to lecture me about strategy. And even worse say that im not in the field enough. Heck taking advantage of drunk girls shouldnt even count as field, if it does.
Author:  Stormy [ Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:59 pm ]
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You in this just to get laid. Thats what you think social dynamics is all about huh.


...yeah, I'm pretty sure that the whole "pickup" thing does, in fact, involve dudes looking to get laid.
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And you think that its fine to take advantage of some girl, well friend let me tell you something.
"Take advantage?" Whoa, whoa, whoa. A girl doesn't lose her ability to consent to sex when she gets tipsy. If she's so drunk that she doesn't know what's going on, that's one thing. But I don't think that's what we're talking about here.
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If your in the game to get laid by going for the drunk ones, then fine. But if you going bout it like that - youve got damn no right to lecture me about strategy.
Yeah, see where I lectured you about strategy earlier? My bad. I shouldn't have done that.
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And even worse say that im not in the field enough. Heck taking advantage of drunk girls shouldnt even count as field, if it does.
Yeah, dude. Awesome.
Author:  SX [ Sun Dec 14, 2008 8:46 pm ]
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"Take advantage?" Whoa, whoa, whoa. A girl doesn't lose her ability to consent to sex when she gets tipsy. If she's so drunk that she doesn't know what's going on, that's one thing. But I don't think that's what we're talking about here.
I love you for saying this... i hate hate HATE when girls are like iw ould have never done that when i was sober or girls that turn into absolut sluts after a couple beers or something is bullshit... its NOT an excuse and if a few drinks REALLY DOES do that to a girl then hell they shouldnt be drinking then cause they know what it does to them...
Author:  AJ_ATX [ Sun Dec 14, 2008 9:06 pm ]
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back to the original topic, i number closed an HB8 last night, at roughly 1:30am. i actually found it easier than earlier, b/c my game had improved, and if you read signals correctly, you can see which ones are disappointed in their attraction efforts.

there were a few AFCs standing around my target at first, but when I went in and took over the group, she was all about me. i think that as long as your game is tight, and you arent projecting your desire to 'just go home with something,' your game should only be minimally affected by the time. you might have to number or kiss close instead of F-closing, but thats not the end of the world for me.

obviously, 3am game in public places like a bus stop won't go as well, but in the bar/club scene, the girls are just looking for fun like they were when they arrived. most guys by 1am are so tired of being shut down for the last 2hrs that they have negative vibes, and you can read their desperation like a book. dont give in to that trap, and dont assume that your target has been approached 800x that night, so she wont give you the time of day. she went there hoping to find somebody half the man that you are, she'll be thrilled to meet you (if you're on top of your game)
Author:  Stormy [ Sun Dec 14, 2008 10:45 pm ]
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I love you for saying this... i hate hate HATE when girls are like iw ould have never done that when i was sober or girls that turn into absolut sluts after a couple beers or something is bullshit... its NOT an excuse and if a few drinks REALLY DOES do that to a girl then hell they shouldnt be drinking then cause they know what it does to them...
From what I understand, girl-drinking is partly an excuse to act "freer" than she normally would (I don't like the word "slut;" being judgmental about sex is not cool). She sheds social constraints when she gets her drink on, and then uses drinking as an excuse later on to justify the way she was acting so she doesn't feel "slutty."

This seems convoluted and totally unnecessary to me, but then again 1) I'm not a girl, and 2) I don't judge girls for sleeping around. Except if she's in an allegedly exclusive relationship with me. Then she's a damn dirty liar.

But if guys drink for "liquid courage" to get rid of their AA, then you could say that girls drink for liquid courage to flaunt their assets and get all the sexual attention they want, and maybe even actually get laid and have an "excuse" for why they did it.

Plus, getting drunk is fun.
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back to the original topic, i number closed an HB8 last night, at roughly 1:30am. i actually found it easier than earlier, b/c my game had improved, and if you read signals correctly, you can see which ones are disappointed in their attraction efforts.
Ha haaa, YES! This man understands that girls are making an EFFORT to attract guys! If they go home without getting approached, they feel ugly and it makes them sad. You don't want the girls to be sad... do you? :(
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there were a few AFCs standing around my target at first, but when I went in and took over the group, she was all about me. i think that as long as your game is tight, and you arent projecting your desire to 'just go home with something,' your game should only be minimally affected by the time. you might have to number or kiss close instead of F-closing, but thats not the end of the world for me.
Indeed. Excellent work.
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obviously, 3am game in public places like a bus stop won't go as well, but in the bar/club scene, the girls are just looking for fun like they were when they arrived. most guys by 1am are so tired of being shut down for the last 2hrs that they have negative vibes, and you can read their desperation like a book. dont give in to that trap, and dont assume that your target has been approached 800x that night, so she wont give you the time of day. she went there hoping to find somebody half the man that you are, she'll be thrilled to meet you (if you're on top of your game)
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