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Author:  kiwi-indian [ Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:21 am ]
Post subject:  I AFCed an approach
I want to get it off my chest cos it was not one of my better approaches and I want some advice on what I could have done better.

I just finished my work out and was feeling great. I pass through a mall/supermarket to get to my car. I usually just loiter around there killing some time and pretending I am txting people on the phone. I spot HB7. She has a shopping basket full of vegies. I open immediately with "too many greens not enough meat". She laughs and smile and I make some solid EC.

Mistake Number 1: I don't say anything more. I just got tongue tied and could not think of anything else to say. Usually I am not short of a word and should have kept the conversation but I failed.

Any ways I carry on loitering around and she goes back to her shopping. She is there with a friend. I pretend I am txting on my phone when after a little while I spot her again and this time she smiles and waves at me with a nice surprised look on her face. I walk towards her and ask her if she got the meat or not. She tells me she's vegetarian. I say you gotta have your meat, the protein is good and stops your hunger pangs. She says nuts do her just fine and they start walking back down the isle.

Mistake Number 2: I don't know what to say again. I just walk away.

I stand around like an AFC playing with my phone and make a decision. I've blown this completely I know that. But, I may yet be able to recover this situation if I make one last ditch effort. I have nothing to lose, everything to gain and even a rejection will result in valuable experience gained.

I approach HB7 and she is again surprised to see me. I say, "hey, this has taken a fair bit of courage for me to do so cut me some slack. If you're not seeing anyone I would like to take you out to coffee". She kinda gives me a guilty smile and says, "I am sorry I am". I say, "well he's a lucky" and eject. Her friend is kinda thrilled and I hear her say, "Oh how sweet". I walk away.

Mistake Number 3: I think a more Alpha Male thing to do when she said she had a BF was to look at her friend point at HB and say, "Is she telling the truth or is she lying? Cos if she's not being honest then she's just blown the chance to get to know a great guy". Well at least that is what I thought I should have said while driving back. It made no difference, I did not number close.

I felt a bit foolish after the experience but I know I will be better for it. Obliviously my 3 approaches made me look SUPER AFCish and I should really just have worked it once I had opened with the "too many greens not enough meat" joke.

How would you MPUAs have done this?
Author:  Chief [ Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:33 am ]
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mPUAs? Where? lol

Dude, I think that sounded like a good, solid approach, besides the awkward moments where you stood around not saying anything... but that's really no reason to beat yourself up. You can modify that behavior next time, being prepared with techniques like multiple threading and just being in the moment in general.

You really should admit to yourself, especially for Day Game situations, that plenty of girls with boyfriends actually want to be faithful to their boyfriends. Sure, it's possible to full-close them by being overbearingly alpha and really good at game, but... why bother? There's probably a single girl just a few feet away who's just as pretty and just as sweet.

I don't really see anything too wrong with what you've described in your approach. I think that if the girl were single, she would have been highly receptive to your interest.
Author:  kiwi-indian [ Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:52 am ]
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mPUAs? Where? lol

Dude, I think that sounded like a good, solid approach, besides the awkward moments where you stood around not saying anything... but that's really no reason to beat yourself up. You can modify that behavior next time, being prepared with techniques like multiple threading and just being in the moment in general.

You really should admit to yourself, especially for Day Game situations, that plenty of girls with boyfriends actually want to be faithful to their boyfriends. Sure, it's possible to full-close them by being overbearingly alpha and really good at game, but... why bother? There's probably a single girl just a few feet away who's just as pretty and just as sweet.

I don't really see anything too wrong with what you've described in your approach. I think that if the girl were single, she would have been highly receptive to your interest.
Thanks bud. I am working on my game. I appreciate your feedback. :-)
Author:  Rapture7 [ Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:39 pm ]
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I think you could have done all that throught one approach. I think 3 approaches and she will catch on your not confident enough about yourself. Its ok tho supermarkets are really hard to do.
Author:  overbayy [ Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:00 am ]
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same thing happens to me man. i say something to get a girl interested, then blank out. i think it's like mystery said, you have to get in a talkative state, where you always have something on the tip of your tongue.
Author:  T8SIG92 [ Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: I AFCed an approach
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I have nothing to lose, everything to gain and even a rejection will result in valuable experience gained.
hey dude, never loose this mentality. you will definetly go places with this.

theres plenty of 7's out there tho. better luck next time
Author:  FearAngel [ Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:37 am ]
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Couple of things:

-Start studying more of Mystery/Style's canned materials.

-You play with your phone too much. If you're loitering, at least get your head into the environment so you can come up with more things to say.

-Open more girls so that the 1 failure doesn't become your heartache of the night.
Author:  Clancey [ Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:28 pm ]
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I think the worst part was saying it's taken a lot of courage to ask her out, that seems like a big DLV to me...
Author:  fdok [ Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:23 pm ]
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I would definitely say A for effort in the least. Approaching someone and blanking out is definitely a bigger step than not saying anything to begin with.

I think the biggest problem would be that you kinda used the same line/opener twice with the whole "not enough meat" thing. You don't want to seem like some weirdo going around professing his love of meats to the world. lol.

I know everything is always 20/20 in hindsight, but i guess you just have to remember to stack the openers. You seemed to have gone in with a positive approach that did get her attention and made her laugh!

Now, my question is if he should have kept talking about the veggie thing, or if he should have changed the subject. Is it a DHV to take a stance defending why you eat meat, or are you just annoying a veggietarian (sic) at that point?
Author:  TMT [ Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:13 pm ]
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I thought you did pretty well... but when she said she had a boyfriend you should have shot back with: oh... thats a bummer... for you i mean (sly smile)... and then when you leave just say hey do you have email
Author:  pozican [ Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:58 am ]
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I thought you did pretty well... but when she said she had a boyfriend you should have shot back with: oh... thats a bummer... for you i mean (sly smile)... and then when you leave just say hey do you have email
Like the reply -- I think the email thing is a bit off.
I've found women are not really ready for email in a pick up environment.

Good chance if you had opened with a canned opener on the third attempt you may have gotten into (what sounds like the obstacle in the two set?)
Say - "Seems fate has us talking together, don't get excited, lets test it... Pick a number between 1 and 4" [...]

We all know the rest.

Better luck next time :)
-poz
Author:  kiwi-indian [ Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:59 am ]
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I thought you did pretty well... but when she said she had a boyfriend you should have shot back with: oh... thats a bummer... for you i mean (sly smile)... and then when you leave just say hey do you have email
Like the reply -- I think the email thing is a bit off.
I've found women are not really ready for email in a pick up environment.

Good chance if you had opened with a canned opener on the third attempt you may have gotten into (what sounds like the obstacle in the two set?)
Say - "Seems fate has us talking together, don't get excited, lets test it... Pick a number between 1 and 4" [...]

We all know the rest.

Better luck next time :)
-poz
Man, I wish I could remember all this shit while approaching and demonstrating DHV. Hindsight is wonderful ... but the more you practice the better you'll get, right? :-)
Author:  the_henstar [ Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:15 am ]
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Hey dude...i would of loved to have done something like that...as i have all these things swimming in my mind when hot girls are around...anyway...ive never picked up period ...let alone attempted anything in a supermarket....so props to you.

Hen
Author:  Okiokdan [ Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:50 pm ]
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Hindsight is wonderful ... but the more you practice the better you'll get, right? :-)
Practice makes perfect ;) Trust me, if you practice enough, you don't even need to concentrate on, for example, body language because it will become "more natural".
Author:  kiwi-indian [ Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:06 am ]
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I think the worst part was saying it's taken a lot of courage to ask her out, that seems like a big DLV to me...
I agree ... hence the subject of this post. :-(
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