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Evolving the opener-time to step it up boys
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Author:  Fra Diavlo [ Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:50 am ]
Post subject:  Evolving the opener-time to step it up boys
Hey boys. It's time to step it up.
With the critical acclaim of Neil Strauss's "The Game," and with Mystery's show, I have been thinking something recently: PU is becoming too available to our societies consciousness and pop culture. More and more AFC's are going to be joining in on the fun. This could make it difficult to use the game in it's existing form. Now rather than being a bunch of pussies and whining about Mystery "selling out," I think we should discuss in a creative and constructive matter about where we can take the priceless information we've been given.

1. "Can I get a quick opinion on something"
This line is going to quickly become the "what's your sign, baby?" of this generation unless we can twist it into something less cliche. Obviously it's a good way to start a conversation, how can we tweak this?

2. "Do you floss before or after you brush"
~Needs to be retired and never spoken of again, along with any of the popular canned openers like the "Jealous X-girlfriend". Don't use anything you saw on cable television. Period.

Here are just 2 examples of things we need to build on and adapt. There are countless others. Anyone who has some fresh ideas about the things mentioned above and anything I didn't mention feel free to fire away.

~Fra Diavlo
Author:  yokezg63 [ Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:29 am ]
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Just don't use canned material anymore. If you've got a good routine, don't post it up for the whole world to see. Hate to say it, but you're not doing yourself any good. The PUA across the ocean isn't going to get you any more lays.

The only things of real use on here are the social concepts and theories. Use the canned material for inspiration, but that's it. There's simply too much risk of running into someone who has heard it before (especially with the second season of PUA coming out).

I don't see why routines will ever get old. No girl will reject a guy for asking a simple question. I think the stories will have to become more subtler, though.
Author:  Chief [ Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:34 am ]
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OOO OOO OOO I KNOW I KNOW IKNOW

How about this... "Hi!"

...DIDN'T THAT JUST BLOW YOUR MIND AWAY???

Haha I use opinion openers sometimes, but I never start it with "Can I get your opinion on something?" Usually I just go straight into the question... Or just "I need a female perspective on something..." Even though that one is a bit overused as well, it's still fine because the opinion openers I use are usually ones that I made up myself. I still like the classic "Is kissing cheating?" one, though.

Hell, I've even done the jealous girlfriend opener recently. It went over fine. I just switched around the details and little bit and made it a little more specific. Just hold a confident frame and EVERYTHING WILL BE OOOOOOKKKAAAAAYYYYY I promise.
Author:  Fra Diavlo [ Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:50 am ]
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Yeah valid points fellas. I recently went sarging with a guy I met who is much more experienced in the field and we were discussing openers, and he said really, the opener is nothing. I was drawing out the introduction too much being overly formal or something. All he does is go up with a big grin on his face as says: "Hey Guys! [insert opener]" He was really enthusiastic so that got him VERY far in any social situation.
Author:  Player 1 [ Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:25 pm ]
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While everyone's knee-jerk reaction to Style's book and Mystery's show is going to be that it will ruin the PU community, I think the only thing that the newfound exposure is going to affect are the openers.

I agree that "Do you floss..." must now be retired forever, but when you think about it, questions about your friend and his ex or cheating questions (is kissing cheating?) are still going to have a high success rate.

And once you've opened the set, are they going to automatically assume that your interest in them is purely game?

Plus, a few months from now, a majority of the people that saw, "The Pick-Up Artist" or read, "The Game" will forget most of the tactics exposed by the show.

As long as you don't send a red flag to your set with a cliche opener, all should be good.
Author:  risque [ Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:04 am ]
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well im new to the scene but i still like the idea of using new ideas,so on my 1st sarge ever i decided to use one of my own on a 2set...6.5hb's

"who's better looking me or my friend?"
1 said me and the other said my friend
i felt like it was already time to get some alone time so i said "hey looks like we've already got something in common"

k+n close

i think its kinda risky but i think im a fairly goodlooking and confident guy.
they wernt the type of girl im aiming for but i think it was a decent start...
looking for constructive feedback

also if i dont get chose any good comebacks??



Risque - UK
Author:  Achilles [ Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:01 am ]
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I came up with a response for being called out on canned material and had the fortune/misfortune of getting to field test it last night.

I opened a 4 set with "do I look like a drug dealer". Unfortunately, I was out with my AFC buddies, and they have the bad habit of staring in awe whenever I open sets. What's worse is that they were actually standing near my target when one of them said "hey, that drug dealer thing works". So my target taps me on the shoulder and says:

HB8: "I know what you're up to, I heard your friend saying your little scheme is working.
ME: (With a cocky grin) Now that you know what's up, aren't you glad I came over anyway? (spoken in a "come on, admit it" way)
HB8: (gives off a shy smile) yea.

So basically, if you get called out, go cocky/funny and let them know what a privilege it is to be picked up by a class act such as yourself. 8)
Author:  leftytheking [ Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:34 am ]
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There's two options for rAFC's...

1) Quit using any canned material. Free-style openers and DHV's until you find ones you can use. In time, you'll develop your own "canned material" that only you know.

2) Use canned material that most people won't recognize. For instance, when I use canned material, I only use material for this forum- things that have been developed by people who aren't famous. It's much more safe that way.

Option #1 is better in the long run, but takes time and skill for an rAFC to develop. Option #2 is better for newbs, but poses most of the same danger as canned material does anyways.

I think... you gotta pick your poison, because all the famous material has gone public.
Author:  Posh [ Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:40 am ]
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I was just talking about this the other night, but I think people focus waaaaaay too much on their openers. In my opinion, the point of the opener is to simply get the target talking. If you can get away from canned material, by all means go for it, otherwise use it.

Personally I always try to wing it. For example, this morning while at work (I work in the mall) I see this HB8 coming down the escalator. As she's coming down she's holding her phone in the air in an attempt to get cell phone reception. So when she walks into my store, I walked up to her and asked:

ME - "Do you have a camera phone?"
HB - "Um... yea"
ME - "Haha, I know. I saw you taking pictures of yourself as you were coming down the stairs"
HB - "No I wasn't!"
ME - "Suuuuure you weren't! You were sooo taking myspace shots so you could add little captions like "going down the escalator at the mall. haha"

I had her attention and had her laughing so from there I just went into the rest of my game.

Be creative. The opener is only the beginning - don't make it seem more important than it is.
Author:  imnotghetto [ Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:52 am ]
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I hate canned anything. Especially the "I need a females opinion on something...blah blah blah" After watching the show, I feel it's stupid and just doesn't seem viable. But being enthusiastic and funny, you can get away with saying something like "heyy ladies" or my favorite "hola chicas". Then go through the convo without telling fake shit. Having your convo pre made and prepared is just silly.
Author:  alistar [ Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:45 am ]
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I think its agreed canned material should be used in the earlier stages of PU to get you acquainted. After a while it def becomes a crutch. Although I shouldn't talk bc I occasionally catch myself falling into one die hard routine bc I lack confidence in my situational "on the fly openers". When I'm having one of those LoW nights I fall back on an oldie but goody (I told myself I would stop goddmanit but its so hard!!)

This is how it works imagine: spot target about 10-15ft away. From the outside: My group and I are involved in a seemilngly FUN and Deep conversation.
From the inside: Really we're just talking about some BS
like how we would totally fuck elves from Lord of the rings lol.

After 2nd or third EC w the tarje
Leave in the middle of a joke or funny story so it looks like we're having fun w/o them.

ASTAR: We are soo gonna fighT!

HB: WHAT?, WHY?, WTH? <- basically some stupid comment which if I deliver w a smile will always get them in the playful mindset

ASTAR: Because you totally keep staring me down. I'm not some piece of meat! And I'm not just an INCREDIBLY SEXY hunk. I have feelings too you know. <- This is the only hard part about this I have to act serious but at the same time its ALL DONE IN A JOKING MANNER.

HB: HAHA sorry I couldn't help it <- this is the general feel I get from their response

Shift into comfort building usually neg IMMEDIATLEY on clothes and its locked in from there

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I will tell you right now its not 100% there are tough ones out there who have siad Things along the lines of "Get over yourself"

At first I would eject immediately and lick my wounds but after some calibration I have now grown the testicles to handle this situation properly I usually say:
ASTAR: hahahah Ok lemee try(pause/ silence for a few seconds).... nope no dice. HOLD ON do you have a ladder.

If this doesn't loosen them up a lil I ditch the CF and go into verbal sparring mode but by this time my pride is involved and it gets ugly lol

Shift into comfort building usually neg IMMEDIATLEY on clothes and its locked in from there
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