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Author:  trick2cp [ Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Approaching After IOI's

alHey all,

So, being shy (working on it), and after getting IOI's from a girl, does that change the approach or opening?

The reason I ask is that there are a lot of times when I got IOI's but I don't follow up because...to be honest, I'm more used to cold approaches at this point (which is completely weird).

Edit - More specifically, can I immediately return IOI's, or do I still need to show some disinterest/negs? I can see that being counter-productive.

Author:  oceanx [ Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Approaching After IOI's

No disinterest or negs. Negs were for a club environment where the hot girl is used to being hit on 100x/night. Just forget negs. It's not bad to disagree with girl or show her your independence, but mother-fuck the "your nose looks weird" bullshit.

When a girl is IOIing you, reward her and open your mouth and talk to her. Go to the girl and start vibing with her. If you are unfamiliar with this territory, talk to her about something going on the immediate vicinity. You may be surprised at how excited & interested she is in speaking with you about anything simply because you seem like someone she might want to get to know better.

Author:  JayVocalz [ Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:24 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Approaching After IOI's

The approach is very easy if you got IOI's, tell her "another girl that look at me and be too shy to say anything, but for the smile you have, I make an exception, come to salute you and help you talk to me....."

Author:  Dragula [ Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Approaching After IOI's

Smile back, wave her over to come over to you and just escalate. You Dont need to game at this point. Gamey stuff will probably do more harm than good

Author:  trick2cp [ Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Approaching After IOI's

I appreciate it, all. I'll try it next time I'm out :D

Author:  Jasoule [ Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Approaching After IOI's

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Smile back, wave her over to come over to you and just escalate. You Dont need to game at this point. Gamey stuff will probably do more harm than good
I disagree. You still have a lot of work to do. You can skip attraction since you already have it but there is still gaming that must be done.I just wrote a post on this here:
handling-warm-approaches-by-qualifying- ... 89445.html

Author:  Dragula [ Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:53 am ]
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Let's agree to disagree your post is huge and so gamey. I am speaking from my experience and perception

Author:  Jasoule [ Tue Apr 07, 2015 6:29 am ]
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Let's agree to disagree your post is huge and so gamey. I am speaking from my experience and perception
Well I would just say ask yourself, "Have I laid the girl yet?" If the answer is 'no' then you still need to game her. I was simply saying that you just start in qualification since you already have attraction. Remember the only gamey things you are doing are the compliance tests and the false takeaway which serves as a compliance test. If you use kino tests on the girl thinking that you 'don't have to game her' then you risk telegraphing too much interest. It all depends on what state she's in. Hormones play a role. Women who are ovulating will be very receptive to heavy escalation if they like you while women who are in logical male mode will be turned off at your inability to realize that she isn't in a sexually receptive state. Escalation still needs to be calibrated otherwise you will look thirsty which is a major game killer. "Have you laid her yet?" The answer is 'no' so you still need to game her. You don't need to run attraction stuff. I agree with PEBBLE in that it will cause harm as it is a form of overcompensation do to insecurities about not having enough attraction. But qualification is another ball game. Some girls won't need gaming. But 10s will. If you aren't having to game then you are PUNCHING BELOW YOUR WEIGHT. You don't have to game because the girl already sees you as higher value. Physical attraction doesn't necessarily set a higher value frame. It creates something called lust. It helps with building comfort according to Adam Lyons. Gaming is more than building attraction. What about connection? What about flawless escalation in which you escalate without looking need while increasing her buying temperature.

Author:  Dragula [ Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Approaching After IOI's

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Let's agree to disagree your post is huge and so gamey. I am speaking from my experience and perception
Well I would just say ask yourself, "Have I laid the girl yet?" If the answer is 'no' then you still need to game her. I was simply saying that you just start in qualification since you already have attraction. Remember the only gamey things you are doing are the compliance tests and the false takeaway which serves as a compliance test. If you use kino tests on the girl thinking that you 'don't have to game her' then you risk telegraphing too much interest. It all depends on what state she's in. Hormones play a role. Women who are ovulating will be very receptive to heavy escalation if they like you while women who are in logical male mode will be turned off at your inability to realize that she isn't in a sexually receptive state. Escalation still needs to be calibrated otherwise you will look thirsty which is a major game killer. "Have you laid her yet?" The answer is 'no' so you still need to game her. You don't need to run attraction stuff. I agree with PEBBLE in that it will cause harm as it is a form of overcompensation do to insecurities about not having enough attraction. But qualification is another ball game. Some girls won't need gaming. But 10s will. If you aren't having to game then you are PUNCHING BELOW YOUR WEIGHT. You don't have to game because the girl already sees you as higher value. Physical attraction doesn't necessarily set a higher value frame. It creates something called lust. It helps with building comfort according to Adam Lyons. Gaming is more than building attraction. What about connection? What about flawless escalation in which you escalate without looking need while increasing her buying temperature.
Look at the bold bro. Your gamey stuff is gonna do more harm than good

Your logic is. If you haven't slept with her you need game? How do normal people get laid then? They all have game Huh?

I'm willing to bet when normal people get laid that they have something going for them besides game which proves my point. I think you yourself a few years down the line and a 100 lays later you might considers that you could be over gaming and seduction is more like a dance as opposed to like a battle ground.

Having 'game' is subjective anyway. To me,, for example, learning what NOT to do, I.e. Do not text the girl every 5 secs and talking to her like a friend and not making a move - you're gonna friendzone yourself.

That's about as gamey as you need to be and yet so many normal people never solve this part. Your stuff is like "you must increase her buying temp once You get 3 IOI's as you do a takeaway and over the shoulder, thenknee kino then qualify after 3 bla bla, jeez"

The op's story is something that has been experienced myself many times. So It's not like I'm speculating here and I'm trying To make things simple and no pressure to the OP.

Author:  trick2cp [ Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Approaching After IOI's

I see what you guys are saying, after the IOI's, I can converse like normal (show that you have value, be confident, be playful, be interesting, and escalate as is prudent, etc).

I think you guys are saying the same thing--remember the fundamentals. At least in my mind.

Author:  Black Phantom [ Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Approaching After IOI's

In any approach, just a little bit of game is OK.

So if she is looking at you, you can approach and say something like,

"Hey, what's up? Do you look at every guy like that or just the one you really like...?"

And then you continue talking in a normal way, asking her normal questions.

In terms of escalation, I think your question was more about approaching itself, so I won't go into it too much,
but after you start talking, remember that you have the advantage because she already likes you.

Your only job is not screw things up too much by gaming her too much. So nothing weird, normal questions
and have some fun.

Author:  Jasoule [ Thu Apr 09, 2015 4:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Approaching After IOI's

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In any approach, just a little bit of game is OK.

So if she is looking at you, you can approach and say something like,

"Hey, what's up? Do you look at every guy like that or just the one you really like...?"

And then you continue talking in a normal way, asking her normal questions.

In terms of escalation, I think your question was more about approaching itself, so I won't go into it too much,
but after you start talking, remember that you have the advantage because she already likes you.

Your only job is not screw things up too much by gaming her too much. So nothing weird, normal questions
and have some fun.
Yes this is what I've been saying (in more words than one). It is kind of chody to throw out game completely but certain aspects of game still apply such as qualification, escalation, and rapport building. If you skip qualification you may get a lot of LMR. If you fail to escalate you've gotten attraction and you aren't doing anything with it. It's like buying a burger and waiting for it to get cold then you try to eat it. Qualification solidifies the attraction and escalation capitalizes on it. :D

Author:  Dragula [ Thu Apr 09, 2015 5:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Approaching After IOI's

Brain washed

Author:  JHA91 [ Thu Apr 09, 2015 5:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Approaching After IOI's

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The reason I ask is that there are a lot of times when I got IOI's but I don't follow up because...to be honest, I'm more used to cold approaches at this point (which is completely weird).
From my experience being more used to cold approaches is because you are afraid to let the girl dictate the pace of the interaction - i.e. you might have time to calculate when you're about to use a cold approach but when the girl gives you an IOI it is a signal that you need to approach then and there. For me, this always means that I am analysing things too much because I feel I need that time period to think of something 'clever' to say.

Hope that helps, newbie to newbie.

Author:  trick2cp [ Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Approaching After IOI's

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The reason I ask is that there are a lot of times when I got IOI's but I don't follow up because...to be honest, I'm more used to cold approaches at this point (which is completely weird).
From my experience being more used to cold approaches is because you are afraid to let the girl dictate the pace of the interaction - i.e. you might have time to calculate when you're about to use a cold approach but when the girl gives you an IOI it is a signal that you need to approach then and there. For me, this always means that I am analysing things too much because I feel I need that time period to think of something 'clever' to say.

Hope that helps, newbie to newbie.
Does this imply that if we lock eyes, the approach needs to happen at that time?

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