PUA Forum :: Sets did not hook, help.

What went wrong is you used a canned opener. Use a situational opener. It requires you to think and use your brain and speak about something going on in the general vicinity. Even "I like your style" or "Hi" is better than these canned ass openers. Drop them man. The girls will thank you.

I'm not sure if I made a mistake or I had a bad set. So I used a simple Indirect Opener "Do you like kids in general? Like little kids?". It was over the shoulder, I proceeded to stack with a gambit, then proceeded to use a palm reading game. I had all IOD's negative facial expressions and comments like "This is really wierd....". I made sure I had good body language, but it was frustrating because I couldn't even lock in properly or even isolate the target because they all gave me IOD's. So I just rolled off. I made sure I wasn't coming off too strong or too loud, I didn't do anything excessive.

I know it's hard to judge the situation based on what I said, but let me get some feedback on what possibly might have gone wrong.

Quote:

What you approached one set and then decided to make a post?

Approach at least 10 sets before you make a question, damn!

Btw, when you approach, be a man about it, when you approach her, you want to have good body language and square up to her. Be non-threatening, though.

Btw opener is generally irrelevant, your FRAME and sub-communication is far more important.

Canned openers can work if you pre-set them. Like if you walk up to women and with a level
of energy you say, "Hey guys, what's up...I have a really important question for you...it's a matter of life and death"

And THEN you ask your canned opener.

However, I don't think that in your case it was about the opener. In your case I feel that you were approaching
them like you're walking on egg-shells.

I feel that you are trying to almost like hide what you're trying to do or say, it's as if you're almost
ashamed of what you do.

Man, when you approach women, you need to do it WITHOUT APOLOGISING for it.

IF you're apologising, then they will almost universally think there's something weird about it.

There's nothing more attractive than a man who has his stuff together, and ENGAGES the girl
in a conversation while feeling it's completely normal.

- Doesn't feel it's weird
- Isn't trying to hide it
- Is Authentic and real with what he wants

Approach women, say something like, "Hey I saw you from over there and though you were kind of
cute, I wanted to say Hi...what's up?" and act NORMAL.

Be serious about it, and women will take you seriously. Try to be too cute or evasive about what you're
trying to do, they will think you're WEIRD.

If your problem is anxiety, I invite you and anyone reading this to join my test group that I talk about
in my signature.

Hope this helps,

Author:	IamGunner [ Sun Mar 22, 2015 7:59 am ]
Post subject:	Sets did not hook, help.
I'm not sure if I made a mistake or I had a bad set. So I used a simple Indirect Opener "Do you like kids in general? Like little kids?". It was over the shoulder, I proceeded to stack with a gambit, then proceeded to use a palm reading game. I had all IOD's negative facial expressions and comments like "This is really wierd....". I made sure I had good body language, but it was frustrating because I couldn't even lock in properly or even isolate the target because they all gave me IOD's. So I just rolled off. I made sure I wasn't coming off too strong or too loud, I didn't do anything excessive. I know it's hard to judge the situation based on what I said, but let me get some feedback on what possibly might have gone wrong.

Author:	oceanx [ Sun Mar 22, 2015 8:47 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Sets did not hook, help.
What went wrong is you used a canned opener. Use a situational opener. It requires you to think and use your brain and speak about something going on in the general vicinity. Even "I like your style" or "Hi" is better than these canned ass openers. Drop them man. The girls will thank you.

Author:	IamGunner [ Sun Mar 22, 2015 9:22 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Sets did not hook, help.
Quote: What went wrong is you used a canned opener. Use a situational opener. It requires you to think and use your brain and speak about something going on in the general vicinity. Even "I like your style" or "Hi" is better than these canned ass openers. Drop them man. The girls will thank you. Thanks, I talked to a few people in the chatroom and they said the same thing.

Author:	Neox00 [ Sun Mar 22, 2015 7:04 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Sets did not hook, help.
Hi As it's already said before , I believe that some canned openers do not work if you your facial expression or mood is not congruent ... With this one for exemple I think you should say it after you already started a discussion , or maybe If I was In that situation I would say " you do not look like a girl who likes kids in general " in a funny way she would either say " yes bla bla " or " no I like them , why did you think that ... Bla bla " Lately I don't bother using indirect opener I go direct and see what happens but it's good to use indirect opener in a funny joking way ... That was my personnal insights of this situation ... Good luck sarging Bro

Author:	ChocolatePUA [ Sun Mar 22, 2015 7:12 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Sets did not hook, help.
Quote: I'm not sure if I made a mistake or I had a bad set. So I used a simple Indirect Opener "Do you like kids in general? Like little kids?". It was over the shoulder, I proceeded to stack with a gambit, then proceeded to use a palm reading game. I had all IOD's negative facial expressions and comments like "This is really wierd....". I made sure I had good body language, but it was frustrating because I couldn't even lock in properly or even isolate the target because they all gave me IOD's. So I just rolled off. I made sure I wasn't coming off too strong or too loud, I didn't do anything excessive. I know it's hard to judge the situation based on what I said, but let me get some feedback on what possibly might have gone wrong. It's really weird because you have not rooted your opener with something relevant. Any stranger asking if I like kids is going to be weird. What does that have to do with ANYTHING that's going on? I wouldn't necessarily say to NEVER use canned openers, but personally I also think that situational openers are MUCH better. They're relevant and your targets can quickly identify with them instead of being weirded out

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Author:	Mr. Ruthless [ Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:00 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Sets did not hook, help.
Quote: I'm not sure if I made a mistake or I had a bad set. So I used a simple Indirect Opener "Do you like kids in general? Like little kids?". It was over the shoulder, I proceeded to stack with a gambit, then proceeded to use a palm reading game. I had all IOD's negative facial expressions and comments like "This is really wierd....". I made sure I had good body language, but it was frustrating because I couldn't even lock in properly or even isolate the target because they all gave me IOD's. So I just rolled off. I made sure I wasn't coming off too strong or too loud, I didn't do anything excessive. I know it's hard to judge the situation based on what I said, but let me get some feedback on what possibly might have gone wrong. What you approached one set and then decided to make a post? Approach at least 10 sets before you make a question, damn! Btw, when you approach, be a man about it, when you approach her, you want to have good body language and square up to her. Be non-threatening, though. Btw opener is generally irrelevant, your FRAME and sub-communication is far more important.

Author:	Black Phantom [ Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:42 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Sets did not hook, help.
Canned openers can work if you pre-set them. Like if you walk up to women and with a level of energy you say, "Hey guys, what's up...I have a really important question for you...it's a matter of life and death" And THEN you ask your canned opener. However, I don't think that in your case it was about the opener. In your case I feel that you were approaching them like you're walking on egg-shells. I feel that you are trying to almost like hide what you're trying to do or say, it's as if you're almost ashamed of what you do. Man, when you approach women, you need to do it WITHOUT APOLOGISING for it. IF you're apologising, then they will almost universally think there's something weird about it. There's nothing more attractive than a man who has his stuff together, and ENGAGES the girl in a conversation while feeling it's completely normal. - Doesn't feel it's weird - Isn't trying to hide it - Is Authentic and real with what he wants Approach women, say something like, "Hey I saw you from over there and though you were kind of cute, I wanted to say Hi...what's up?" and act NORMAL. Be serious about it, and women will take you seriously. Try to be too cute or evasive about what you're trying to do, they will think you're WEIRD. If your problem is anxiety, I invite you and anyone reading this to join my test group that I talk about in my signature. Hope this helps,

Author:	IamGunner [ Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:23 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Sets did not hook, help.
Quote: Quote: I'm not sure if I made a mistake or I had a bad set. So I used a simple Indirect Opener "Do you like kids in general? Like little kids?". It was over the shoulder, I proceeded to stack with a gambit, then proceeded to use a palm reading game. I had all IOD's negative facial expressions and comments like "This is really wierd....". I made sure I had good body language, but it was frustrating because I couldn't even lock in properly or even isolate the target because they all gave me IOD's. So I just rolled off. I made sure I wasn't coming off too strong or too loud, I didn't do anything excessive. I know it's hard to judge the situation based on what I said, but let me get some feedback on what possibly might have gone wrong. What you approached one set and then decided to make a post? Approach at least 10 sets before you make a question, damn! Btw, when you approach, be a man about it, when you approach her, you want to have good body language and square up to her. Be non-threatening, though. Btw opener is generally irrelevant, your FRAME and sub-communication is far more important. Thanks for the feedback, I did a few sets afterwards and I crashed and burned HARD. So I just called it a night. But, I changed my frame and body language and I got my first Day Game KISS CLOSE!

Author:	IamGunner [ Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:24 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Sets did not hook, help.
Quote: Canned openers can work if you pre-set them. Like if you walk up to women and with a level of energy you say, "Hey guys, what's up...I have a really important question for you...it's a matter of life and death" And THEN you ask your canned opener. However, I don't think that in your case it was about the opener. In your case I feel that you were approaching them like you're walking on egg-shells. I feel that you are trying to almost like hide what you're trying to do or say, it's as if you're almost ashamed of what you do. Man, when you approach women, you need to do it WITHOUT APOLOGISING for it. IF you're apologising, then they will almost universally think there's something weird about it. There's nothing more attractive than a man who has his stuff together, and ENGAGES the girl in a conversation while feeling it's completely normal. - Doesn't feel it's weird - Isn't trying to hide it - Is Authentic and real with what he wants Approach women, say something like, "Hey I saw you from over there and though you were kind of cute, I wanted to say Hi...what's up?" and act NORMAL. Be serious about it, and women will take you seriously. Try to be too cute or evasive about what you're trying to do, they will think you're WEIRD. If your problem is anxiety, I invite you and anyone reading this to join my test group that I talk about in my signature. Hope this helps, Thanks for the feedback, I did a few sets afterwards and I crashed and burned HARD. So I just called it a night. But, I changed my frame and body language and I got my first Day Game KISS CLOSE!

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