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| Author: | gabesytf [ Tue Feb 03, 2015 12:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | 5 different personalities when opening |
I was thinking of multiple ways to approach and open a girl. Could anyone help me and recommend 5 rather different openers to use that display 5 different personalities, like for example funny or gentlemanly etc. I'm still a newbie at all this pick up stuff. Thanks! |
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| Author: | CharlesFinley [ Tue Feb 03, 2015 1:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 5 different personalities when opening |
Can I ask why you'd want to do this? It's fairly important to just be yourself and be confident. I get you're a newbie - but lines aren't needed (and neither are distinct personality types which aren't your own, unless you're doing this as some kind of social experiment...) "Hi, I'm gabesytf" and smile... Best opener there is. |
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| Author: | Henko [ Tue Feb 03, 2015 7:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 5 different personalities when opening |
Unless you have a multiple personality disorder, which I'm assuming you dont, use material that resonates with who you are first. If you are more into going with the direct approach then going in with a simple "Hi, sorry to bother you, I just wanted to say I love your outfit AND I would have kicked myself if I didn't run over here and meet you!" will do the trick. Or if you want to go in with a canned routine maybe something more indirect you could go in with say... an opinion opener and lay down a time constraint. You could do "Sorry to bother you, I only have 30 seconds then I have to dash; I'm about to go on a blind date, how do I look?" There's loads of openers and routines online, use the ol' google and see what sticks Coming from experience, Direct openers work best for me because I like being upfront about stuff. You don't need 3 or 5 different personalities guy; Trust yourself, display confidence and SMILE! |
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| Author: | gabesytf [ Wed Feb 04, 2015 1:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 5 different personalities when opening |
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I get you're a newbie - but lines aren't needed (and neither are distinct personality types which aren't your own, unless you're doing this as some kind of social experiment...)
Bingo, i am actually out to try to investigate how different personality types actually affect the level of positive response, so if you have any idea on how to do this, i would gladly appreciate your help |
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| Author: | fudge_88 [ Wed Feb 04, 2015 2:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 5 different personalities when opening |
You won't find anyone who can help you here that has knowledge of how different styles resonate with different female psychologies. Well, anyone besides me. You want 5? I'll give you 8. Here is my top secret 8 path framework. After learning pandora's box and stealth seduction this was born. - This framework is still being developed because now I am pouring in the teaching of justin Wayne. So I'll give this to you since I will soon be doing something much better. This will be a long post. First. Understand female psychology. She has 3 things she has to deal with. 3 problems. When it comes to relationships and dating. Time, Sex, Relationship. Each of these problems she will have 2 ways of dealing with it. Time: This is how she invests her time with men. One is called a tester. The other an investor. Testers will typically have many male friends. She spends her time with different male options and pulls certain characteristics from each of them to form her "perfect man" from the group. The Investor will focus all of her time in one man and has very few if any male friends. She takes a guy with potential and tries to make him better, or more like how she wants him to be in ways she thinks is better. T vs. N Sex: This is how the woman views sex with men. One is called a denier, and the other a justifier. The denier will typically deny anything having to do with sex. She gets uncomfortable talking about sex or anything related to sex. Sex holds great emotional value to her. The justifier is numb to sex and will sleep with men easily. Sex to her is more like a hand shake and she often has hundreds of partners. She justifies the sex in her head, the other denies all sex. A justifier will typically drink, have tattoos, piecings, and/or wear provocative clothing. Denier obviously will typically not do those things and is a very religious girl, or one with strong morals, and values. You won't see her showing off a lot of flesh usually. A party girl vs a church girl. D vs. J Relationships: This is how the woman views a relationship with a man. One is called a realist, and the other an idealist. The realist has a career and goals and can take care of herself. She views men and woman on a more equal playing field and will be more likely to buy you a drink then the opposite. Idealist this is the snow white woman. The homemaker who dreams of the picket fence the children, and the dog. She will want you to pay for everything and take care of her and her needs. R vs I Now, combining these you discover 8 different psychologies of woman. TDR, TDI, TJR, TJI, NDR, NDI, NJR, NJI. Now each woman responds differently to approaches in entirely different way depending on the mix of her psychology. You can't walk up and run a game on a NDR that is meant for and only works on a TJI. When first starting out I focused on the clubs. The girl you will mostly find in the club is a TJI. That's why people find it hard to form relationship or meaningful connections with women by spam approaching women in clubs. TJI's are known as social butterflies for a reason. You get their attention quickly and lose it just as fast, and she doesn't care she is cold on the inside and justifies all of her actions including any fucked up traits. I don't like these women very much... Anyway, that is a basic run down for a more complete overview I suggest you check out pandora's box, but the system is about 600.00 so that's why I'm the only one on this forum with the knowledge. Ok, now that you know that lets go over the opener/framework. I don't like cold approaching. It's a really bad style, I do what you consider a warm approach. After a quick preliminary analysis similar to what you may have seen in limitless. First off we have the situation. 3 types of situations. Dynamic, static, Dynamic-instatic Dynamic is when there is a small window to approach like if you see a girl walking towards you and you're walking in the opposite direction. Static is when there is an extended period of time between you and the girl. Like standing in line, or sitting on the bus. Dynamic-instatic is a mixure of the two, mainly clubs and bars. You have to approach each situation differently. Wow so you told me I have 8 different types of women in 3 different types of situations. that means there are 24 different ways to go about this? If I use this one method or routine then I'll only be able to get 1 out of 24 women? No. It actually gets deeper than that... In each situation you have 3 types of women. Yes, NO, and Maybe girls. A yes girl will be attracted to you as soon as she sees you, but if you don't use the correct thing for her psychology and/or you don't approach the situation correctly you will turn her into a no girl, and get rejected. No girls are unavailable to you, period. Maybe girls are on the fence about you, and if you don't hit the situation correctly, her psychology correctly, AND do a little more (Enter Justine Wayne - this I haven't mastered in the field yet so I won't speak on it) she will reject you. This represents that 1 in 100 figure that these gurus throw out when telling guys to just follow their system, spam approach and you will get the girl. Damn a lot to take in isn't it? I've internalized all of this stuff except the maybe girl skills so I'm no master yet. What I'm going to give you is the framework for getting all of the yes girls that you can get. Remember though that this will still only work on about 1 in 3 women you see. If you're an ugly motherf****r then it might not be 1 in 3. It might be 1 in 10! Factor in variance as well because it's not like you will run into 1 yes girl for every 2-9 unavailable ones. It doesn't work like that in the real world. You might run into 5-30 unable women before you walk past an available one. Or you might run into 4 available ones one after the other. Imagine using an approach on the wrong girl in the wrong setting while being disqualified by your looks at the beginning... This is why you see threads where guys are talking about "600 approaches and no lays", and 007 who has made videos of nearly 300 approaches and no lays... PU is too focused on the man, it should really be focused on the woman that you are trying to seduce, but the pioneers have set the wrong tone that everyone else has jumped off of. Dynamic Framework - Have your phone on your ear and enjoy a conversation with yourself. Just laugh and be really crazy and have fun with it. Maintain strong body language as you walk, shoulders pulled back chest up pelvis forward like you are penetrating a giant pussy, head held high and taking long strides. Stay focused on the phone and don't look at anyone or anything directly, as if you are in your own little world and nothing outside matters. Use your peripheral vision to spot the girl. When you spot her asses her sex line. In your peripheral vision while talking on the phone and laughing look at how she is dressed, any visible tattoos or piercings. It should be almost instantaneous, if she is a Justifier you can use as much sexual tension as you want. (Note this does not mean talk about sex directly with you and her, or make comments on her being sexy or comments on her body, no woman likes that stuff up front.) OK so you have D or J already figured out. Keep talking and closing the distance. When she gets into about a 6 foot radius you made a sudden gesture or movement that attracts her eye towards you. (this whole time you were not looking at her) Then look her square in the eye with a curious look on your face with a slight smirk. This is an investor test, it happens in a split of a second. A SPLIT OF A SECOND, and it will force an IOI out of her. If she is interested in you and she is an investor she will return the strong eye contact and will smile lick her lips play with her hair or do something. I was shocked by this reaction when I first got it. It's so intense man...You won't believe it at first. Expect this to happen with like one in 35 girls that pass by you. She is an investor and is pretty much ready to go. You will perform a direct approach on this woman. Investors need direct approaches. Indirect stuff will turn them off immediately. If she is a tester and is interested in you, she will break the eye contact and appear nervous. She will look down at her feet, and may play with her hair. Looking down at the feet is the signal of tester and interest. This is the most common reaction. You need to perform an indirect approach on her. Direct stuff is too intense and will turn her off immediately. During the conversation she will say something that will give you an opportunity to go direct. This window has to be taken or it will be closed, sometimes forever. A no/maybe girl will either look off to the side indicating she is not interested, or will avoid looking at you entirely even when you make the hand gesture. This is because she is consciously preventing herself from looking at you because she is either afraid of the interaction or she is caught up in some thought and distracted from the world. You can approach these women if you like, but it will be fighting an uphill battle. I'm studying the ways of these women now through Justin Wayne because I want to expand my choice even further than what I already have. Man...I've been typing a long time. I haven't even gotten to the actual interaction after the opener, or the other 2 situations yet. I'm going to call it for now, if you are curious about the other stuff just send me a PM. You have an opener that is better than everything else you will find on this forum, or in the world for that matter in the dynamic situation. Get into a heavy foot traffic area and do this with every girl that crosses your path, and run your favorite direct/indirect thing. This type of "approach" is done in a few instants and will allow you to "approach" massive numbers of women without anyone else even seeing what is going on. |
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| Author: | fudge_88 [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 3:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 5 different personalities when opening |
This would fall into the indirect category of opening. It won't work very well on investors and you will tend to get a ton of flaky numbers (at best) if this method is used on them. Why? Investors need focused attention and they have to understand that you picked them out of a crowd. If they don't understand this you will be thrown into the category of men who don't have the balls to be transparent, and you will come off sneaky when you do ask for the number because it will be like coming out of nowhere to her. She will either not know you are hitting on her during the conversations, then you "all of a sudden" ask her for the number which is the equivalent to just diving in for a kiss on a girl without the proper kino before hand. Or, she will know you are hitting on her while trying to mask your intentions and she will either go cold from the start, or sit there entertaining you until you ask for the number then reject you, or give you a fake number, or give you her real number but not respond to you when you try and contact her. For the most part, we are talking about what will usually happen. You have times where you will find one who will just go for you to see if she can develop you better, but these cases are rare. These girls are looking for "RELATIONSHIPS" if you come in as a smooth player masking your intent it will send up red flags to her. Da's advice will work on the indirect women, or the testers. You will get women who typically aren't looking for relationships with one man. Granted a woman''s thinking patterns around the time line can change so it's not saying you can't have a relationship with a tester. It's a completely different kind of relationship than the woman who wants to invest herself into you from the start. Generic PU advice is tailored towards tester based women because they require more tricks and techniques to navigate, while the other ones don't. For instance, cockey funny. Golden for testers. Negs, Perfect for testers. Any sort of teasing or indirect stuff = tester! Testers will sit back and observe you to see what type of man you are. Then if you demonstrate some qualities she likes and you aren't too forward in your approach she will chase you. If you want to be a player that leans back and is an enigma, that does his own thing and says fuck the world... This character archetype is meant for testers only. It will not resonate with an investor woman who is looking for stability and a loyal invested partner. If you follow Da's advice (which will work) expect to cut out half of your options from the beginning. |
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| Author: | ASmooth90 [ Thu Feb 26, 2015 5:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 5 different personalities when opening |
Fudge_88, nice responses. I'll add if a girl is with a group of friends, as they often are, you should take a couple of minutes in the beginning to address the group. Be high energy, convey high social value, and keep it light. If you can make her friends like you in the first few minutes, they'll be less likely to cock block you when you address her directly. |
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| Author: | chi31fan35 [ Sun Mar 15, 2015 7:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 5 different personalities when opening |
Fudge's post flies right in the face of scientific evidence and the in field experience of a lot of master puas. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/th ... pick-lines |
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