PUA Forum :: Neutral Openers?

Interesting. So are you arguing that body language is more important than the conversation? I've watched a video of Gambler giving a talk about stealth attraction. It was pretty useful, but what else would you recommend to improve my BL?

I'm great at mid-game and kino escalation, but the first 2 minutes are my biggest sticking points. Even though I fake confidence in my delivery, my confidence gets thrown out the window as soon as I see the girl start to look around for friends, gives me the "why the fuck are you talking to me" eyes or something to that effect. I know that I should power through and try to build attraction despite IODs but it still affects my entire delivery because I haven't learned to manage the rejection emotions well yet. You got any suggestions for this?

Author:	TheMantis [ Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:30 am ]
Post subject:	Neutral Openers?
There are obviously a lot of openers in theses forums, but the categories of openers are typically scattered together in an incoherent way. I prefer neutral openers to neg openers or direct openers. Cat-string theory kind of invalidates most direct openers, and I prefer to save my negging towards the middle of a conversation because I want to sell the first impression that I'm a friendly person and not just some asshole. So feel free to post your favorite neutral openers in this thread. Personally I like the David Bowie opener (look in the sticky). What have worked for you?

Author:	StinkyApple [ Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:52 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Neutral Openers?
The only thing that works for me is a simple hi and spontaneously babling(but thats more the conversation part). Bodylanguage is the key, no matter the opener. Thats what i believe.

Author:	TheMantis [ Sun Mar 24, 2013 1:25 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Neutral Openers?
Well I wouldn't consider hi really an opener but just the first thing you say to anyone regardless of an opener. You said you do spontaneous babbling and this is the part I'm interested in because the spontaneous babbling is your actual opener. What do you babble about, say, at a bar. Do you just go up and say "hi, so I was at the store today and blablabla" or do you comment on a song playing or what? How do you transition from "hi" to a good conversation?

Author:	StinkyApple [ Sun Mar 24, 2013 2:12 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Neutral Openers?
Quote: How do you transition from "hi" to a good conversation? Confidence. I say hi, to start a conversation and when i do, it always works(im a bit more into Gambler's stealth tactic). They never ignore me, never say no(and why should they?). And then i can bable about everything and it always fucking works and they listen, they bable i listen etc. Thats my own preference, i dont want use scripts(and this is actually my single and only opener). If it doesnt work, trust me, its only because you lack in confidence and because without confidence, scripted openers wont work anyways in the very end. I always pick topics about everything, but my target. That could be the place, music, just to get the conversation going(honestly whatever that comes to your mind). Naturally, i dont forget to use my body language(im using every single rule)and escalate all the time. So i dont think about what im actually saying(i still use the very basic rules and as we are having fun), but i will more likely analyze her BL, the input she gives me and then i use it to my advantage and this is why, the outcome is always under my control. I dont believe i can open every girl with standard openers, instead i rather think 30 sec ahead, and plan my moves while the conversation is on. -Pros: Very smooth and natural play for the experienced player. -Cons: The topics can suck and can result in devalue, if you end up talking about something very lame(then again, scripts can also be very lame depending on who you ask). If your conversation skills suck, something else might be better.

Author:	TheMantis [ Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:43 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Neutral Openers?
Interesting. So are you arguing that body language is more important than the conversation? I've watched a video of Gambler giving a talk about stealth attraction. It was pretty useful, but what else would you recommend to improve my BL? I'm great at mid-game and kino escalation, but the first 2 minutes are my biggest sticking points. Even though I fake confidence in my delivery, my confidence gets thrown out the window as soon as I see the girl start to look around for friends, gives me the "why the fuck are you talking to me" eyes or something to that effect. I know that I should power through and try to build attraction despite IODs but it still affects my entire delivery because I haven't learned to manage the rejection emotions well yet. You got any suggestions for this?

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Author:	welp6 [ Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:20 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Neutral Openers?
Quote: Interesting. So are you arguing that body language is more important than the conversation? I've watched a video of Gambler giving a talk about stealth attraction. It was pretty useful, but what else would you recommend to improve my BL? I'm great at mid-game and kino escalation, but the first 2 minutes are my biggest sticking points. Even though I fake confidence in my delivery, my confidence gets thrown out the window as soon as I see the girl start to look around for friends, gives me the "why the fuck are you talking to me" eyes or something to that effect. I know that I should power through and try to build attraction despite IODs but it still affects my entire delivery because I haven't learned to manage the rejection emotions well yet. You got any suggestions for this? To a certain extent, I'm still dealing with this problem. How to deal with IOD's?

Author:	Bond-007 [ Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:21 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Neutral Openers?
Imma give you one of the best advices I ever got in this place about that issue on how to act when you get IOD`s: Simply IGNORE it. Why would you do such a thing? I believe that the reason why pua`s would recommend you so it`s because of all that action/ reaction theory. Here is the deal: as a high value male you do not react to what girls say to you; you couldn`t care less about what she believes at the beginning. You don`t know each other, you don`t owe her shit. So with this in mind you can do one of the most important things in these arts: you can pass women tests. You are being tested the whole fucking time with girls; you just have to be aware of this. The girl is screening you as a potential boyfriend/ lover/ player/ etc. By not giving a fuck about her stupid tests or signs you are showing her who is leading. If you ask me how I managed to pull this, when I`m asked for a stupid question or a test I don`t even answer that to her. I look the other way and stick to the subject I was talking about. Exmaple: Me: I was with my boys at this bar, not a really cool one thou. Girl: Oh! But it must have been a bar full of easy girls. That`s cool isn`t it? Me: (Look for the other way) I make that move as a sign of not caring for that question, like I won`t even answer something that dull; and go back to my original thought: "I won`t be going there again, I did it simply because one of my friends wanted to go there blah blah." Hope that helps.

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