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Author:  necro [ Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:41 pm ]
Post subject:  IS THAT I GOOD OPENER?
I was thinking about this opener
i walk towards an HB from the side:
hi!! don't panic i am not crazy i just want to tell u (pause) i would totally hit on u if i wasn't gay!!
probably she would laugh or at least thank me and smile
could this work if delivered properly? she will probably ask if i am gay should i say "no i am just joking ur amazing and i had to approach u" or something like "until the moment i saw u I was"
if i am dead wrong tell me i am not easily offended :D
Author:  Hammerofdawn [ Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:59 pm ]
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If it makes her laugh and she doesn't give off any IOD (indicators of disinterest) like turning her back on you etc. then yes it would be a pretty good opener, although I would say it probably wouldn't open every set.

Delivery would be very important though, if she asks if you are gay during the rest of the convo ignore her the first time (don't give her a direct answer).

Better still, if you can and its not too early in the interaction, give her one of your own compliance 'hoops' to jump through first, reverse her question on her (ask her if she's gay) then when she answers, then you can tell her the rest of your line, but don't telegraph too much interest, start to get her to qualify herself to you afterwards (*random examples* "so what else have you got going for you other than your looks?" or "So what would you do to let a straight guy know that your interested?")
Author:  worldrunner [ Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:03 pm ]
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What I've seen is that opening is just about getting attention and showing that you are not a threat. So you want to be as normal as possible for at least the first 3 sentences and once she is listening to you and things start to become really ordinary you can spice it up with this "If I wasn't gay I would be hitting on you" statement.

In terms of opening in my opinion the lamest the better.

Anyway before paying attention to what I just wrote... go and try your opening for a couple of times. Maybe you are able to make it work :)
Author:  TheFreshPrince [ Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:38 am ]
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Quote:
hi!! don't panic i am not crazy i just want to tell u (pause) i would totally hit on u if i wasn't gay!!
The second part is ok, I guess. I've seen it around and it gets some play. It's not my style, though so I won't comment on that part.

The first half, though, sounds either really creepy or super desperate. I've run it through my head a dozen times, and I can't seem to imagine it going well. You should be comfortable talking to women. Why would she think you were crazy?

Peep this:

A woman walks up to you and says, "Hey! Don't panic, I'm not crazy. Do you know where the nearest Trader Joe's is?"

You'll be screaming "Crazy bitch, crazy bitch! Run for the hills!" Or at least be getting some serious deja vu when you watch Play Misty for Me with your buddies later.

The "Don't panic, I'm not crazy" exists because in your mind, you think it is crazy to be walking up to some girl and talking to her. Realize that this is just what mature human beings do: they talk to one another. Nobody thinks you're crazy if you start talking to a girl. Nobody thinks you're crazy if you start hitting on a girl. Nobody thinks you're crazy unless you do some crazy stuff. Like, telling people you're not crazy. Make sense?
Author:  Hammerofdawn [ Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:24 am ]
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Quote:

Peep this:

A woman walks up to you and says, "Hey! Don't panic, I'm not crazy. Do you know where the nearest Trader Joe's is?"

You'll be screaming "Crazy bitch, crazy bitch! Run for the hills!" Or at least be getting some serious deja vu when you watch Play Misty for Me with your buddies later.
Yeah this is a valid point, I was looking at it from a humour point of view, but if someone came up to me saying 'Don't panic, I'm not crazy' I'd almost be expecting a punch line.

e.g. "don't worry, I'm not gay... but my boyfriend is"

But at least there's not an apology or an 'excuse me' in starting the conversation*, so that was a good effort in my eyes :)

*we should never be sorry for wanting to talk to women - It's what we do and what we screw* haha :P
Author:  TheFreshPrince [ Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:39 am ]
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But at least there's not an apology or an 'excuse me' in starting the conversation*, so that was a good effort in my eyes :)
Oh, I agree. I just didn't want Necro getting a crazy rep in his neighborhood.

I do want to emphasize, though, that it seems to me like Necro isn't fully comfortable talking to women to display interest, so he is trying to qualify why he would talk to them ("it's not because I'm crazy"). There's nothing wrong with that. God knows I wasn't comfortable in that context when I started out. You don't need to justify your behavior. That's just the next hurdle. Good luck, man!
Author:  necro [ Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:48 am ]
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thank u guys you really helped me out on this one. as for the "i am not crazy"part i saw sacha daygame doing this a good number of times and it worked for him because his approach method is kinda creepy ( seriously have u seen how he jumps in front or women?!) but he is hilarious i think this is why he can pull this off anw i am gonna try it a few time to see if that works thank u for the help guys :D
Author:  pumpington [ Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:01 am ]
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instead of asking if something works, field test it, what's wrong with seeing for yourself?

it is doubtful anyone has ever tested that line, and getting someone's opinion on something they have never tested out or have any actual experience with can lead you astray (especially since they certainly won't deliver it like you)

try it out man, if that is your style and you like the line, use it, don't take some other dudes word that it won't work, that shit is just subjective to his reality, different people have different ideas of what is funny and what is socially solid and socially awkward (if everything was universal then we would all be running around asking who lies more)

if I said I had 100% success with excuse me but you have a fat ass and you are extremely ugly, and I just persisted and re-framed after the opener with iverson like finesse

does that mean you could pull that off or that you would even want to say that to someone?

it's like opening with an opener that is supposed to be funny when you are a serious person, if it doesn't suite you, then it is a shitty opener, and if you give an opinion on the opener you will think it is stupid, if it suites you, bingo was his name-o, you will be screening, if you think something is cool or funny, just give it a shot, you will have more fun then caring if it works or not, and the girls that respond well to what you think is cool/funny, will share your sense of humour/style

GOOD LUCK
Author:  TheFreshPrince [ Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:17 pm ]
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Pumpington, of course, is absolutely right. As far as the line goes, if it's your style, test it. Besides, what doesn't work for one man may work for another.
Author:  Karmeleon [ Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:12 pm ]
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Hey. I'm gonna try this. I pretty confident that it will work though. What I recomend doing if she ask you if you're gay is saying ... "No...?" while looking at her or her friend like wtf? and then smiling
Author:  Sluggler [ Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:14 pm ]
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I have a question, and i'm not trying to be an ass whole or anything, but why do you guys put so much focus into a "Good Opener".

Anything you say is an opener, and really doesn't matter because nine times out of ten a beautiful women wont remember the first thing you said to her unless she choses too.

I think the focus with you guys should be more on the attraction, qualification, comfort, seduction phase of the interaction.

Yeah saying something interesting as a opener will come of different, and grab attention but i see a lot of guys who start out with me, and i give guidance too worry way to much about an opener and then crash and burn after that.

I'm not saying that developing cool openers is a bad thing but make sure you are paying equal focus to other aspects of the game.


Sluggler :D
Author:  TheFreshPrince [ Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:46 pm ]
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Hey, Slugger, great question. I've been in PU for a while, now, so I think I can take a somewhat objective view to this.

You're absolutely right. There doesn't need to be this whole canned routine nonsense going on. In fact, you don't even need the "attraction, qualification, comfort, seduction" that you mentioned. The more you practice this stuff, the more you do it subconsciously, and eventually you aren't even thinking in these terms.

Here's the thing: When starting out like I did, I was borderline fearful of talking to women. Having a canned line that I spit out made it seem like if I was rejected, it was actually whoever came up with the line that got rejected, not me. I could hide behind it. For others, it's not about that, but about having something concrete to play with. Remember studying Science in school? You have your hypothesis, and you have to rigidly follow it in order to properly test it, then rigidly follow your new hypothesis if the first fails.

PU forces you to evolve in your interactions with other people. But in order to get from point A to point C, you have to cross point B. Some can just hop over it, others must struggle through it. It's part of the learning process. At least that's my way of looking at it.
Author:  Sluggler [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:40 am ]
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Hey, Slugger, great question. I've been in PU for a while, now, so I think I can take a somewhat objective view to this.

You're absolutely right. There doesn't need to be this whole canned routine nonsense going on. In fact, you don't even need the "attraction, qualification, comfort, seduction" that you mentioned. The more you practice this stuff, the more you do it subconsciously, and eventually you aren't even thinking in these terms.

Here's the thing: When starting out like I did, I was borderline fearful of talking to women. Having a canned line that I spit out made it seem like if I was rejected, it was actually whoever came up with the line that got rejected, not me. I could hide behind it. For others, it's not about that, but about having something concrete to play with. Remember studying Science in school? You have your hypothesis, and you have to rigidly follow it in order to properly test it, then rigidly follow your new hypothesis if the first fails.

PU forces you to evolve in your interactions with other people. But in order to get from point A to point C, you have to cross point B. Some can just hop over it, others must struggle through it. It's part of the learning process. At least that's my way of looking at it.

Very true! You are right and thats how it has became for me. Now i know the steps to take but after a while it becomes natural and you began to just do things without even realizing you are.

I was speaking in terms of people new to "the game" etc. That is why i laid it out like that.

But good post! Fellas read that last thread by @freshprince. Take notes. School is in session! :lol:


Sluggler
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