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Author:  Fox123 [ Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:01 am ]
Post subject:  Very newbie, but trying to have a successful first attempt
Hello guys, I've been aware of this whole PuA thing back in October 2011
but I haven't really been practicing it due to school and such.
Anyways, there is this girl that I (barely) see on the bus. I didn't really
start to like her till recently. I think I am a year or two older since she is a high school student (and I am a university student). I know this since the bus stops at a high school, so using my common sense, I assume she goes there lol. I commute 2 hours to go to my school, and she only has like 15 minutes to go to hers (which is an awful lot of time to be honest if you are on the bus).

That being said the next 2 weeks will be my last weeks
Take note that I barely see her in the bus, but I am really good at time guessing
(sorry if I sound like a stalker) and I would probably see her then.

Also I've never had a girlfriend, but I am able to talk to women like a friend.
And she is not really (on a scale of hotness) a 10, more like 7.5.
but she really looks like a cool person to go out with.
She looks a bit of an introvert-ish bookworm. And she probably
doesn't have a BIG circle. She is definitely alone on the bus though.
So here is my plan

I will sit somewhere on the bus that is easy to get up, so once it stops at hers and she enters, I can move right away without having to ask someone to move so I could get take action.

Whether she is standing or not
I will go with this:
Me: *Friendly Punch* Hey!
Her: (Whatever she says)

Me: Highschool?
Her: (Obviously yes)

Me: Do you have an older sister?
If
Her: Yes
Me: Does she go to U? (If Yes (REEEAALLY low probability) Gonna ask what's her name? Then say nope, don't know).
If
Her: No
Me: Oh, I see well I know someone from O that looks a bit like you

Me: Nice bag (my attempt at neg, I can change this)
Her: (Whatever)

Me: I had the same bag back in grade 7, no one really cared back then in H back when I moved to M, my friends made fun of me A LOT, you must have some good friends.
Her: (Whatever)

Me: (Put on a poker face with Mr.Clean posture OR just Silence, no sure if I could pull of a poker face and not laugh)
Her: (Silence)

Me: How do I put this.. I lied, I don't really know anyone that looks like you, but I would probably kick my self if I didn't come and ask what your name is. I am M and you are (Offer hand shake).
Her: (Whatever she says)

Me: Alright cool cool, my finals are coming up soon, so I'll have to take this time to study but before that, may I have your number?
Her: (Whatever)

Me: Alright, so.. study time.
Her: (Whatever)

Then I go to whatever I want for the rest of the mins, I could also move somewhere else if I want.
Me: Wait.. do you play any video games?

I would definitely do the whole thing in a comedic and funny way (or atleast try)
But in my experience with other women in high school, I don't think it is hard to make her laugh atleast.
If I get rejected which I am totally okay with, I would just do some
Shakespearean-ish act of death, like a stab on the heart or whatever.
I am aware the dynamic it gets to on the field, but I can deal with that.
This is just an outline of my game plan.



So... for my first attempt would this work 80%?
Any tips for a first attempt?
Author:  LBot [ Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:12 am ]
Post subject: 
Haha, well the bonus for you is it should be easier to # close because she will be stoked to tell her highschool mates that she just got a college guy to ask her for her number.

I think if you could some how shorten the opener a tad by removing the stuff about her background it might flow a little better otherwise it seems a bit like the spanish inquisition.

Also unless you are confident you can pull it off in a joking manner I would shy away from asking her if she likes games if you are talking about video/computer games there is a high chance she will think you are spending all your time gaming.

Also after the #close if you are finding that you are running out of stuff to chat with tell here "just noticed I left my wallet/ipod/ticket (what ever) at my old seat" and you will call/text her later.

Just joined this community so feel free to take my advice with a grain of salt might be all it's worth :D
Author:  Fox123 [ Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:37 pm ]
Post subject: 
thank you so much! will do.
Author:  zebraG [ Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:03 pm ]
Post subject: 
The first thing to go through my mind...
"Hey, excuse me. I'm hoping that you can help me out; I've got a really long journey and I was hoping to find someone fun to talk to so it went quicker"

Problem with that is that she's already sat down so going to be really defensive when you invade her space because she's got nowhere to retreat to.

Perhaps get an earlier bus, get off at her stop then when she turns up:
"Excuse me, did I see you on the XX bus yesterday? Do you know when it comes past here? I just fell asleep on the bus, woke up and ran out thinking this was my stop. By the time I realised I was in the wrong place, the bus had gone."

You're just starting a casual conversation and can calibrate how close you are. Perhaps have a book open too so that she can tell you're doing something else if the conversation dries up. Same principal as "I've gotta meet my friends in a minute but I just had to speak to you first".

Alternatively, if she's listening to music and sat in front of you, ask her what the song is because you heard it on the radio yesterday and it'd been stuck on loop in your mind ever since.
Author:  Fox123 [ Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:05 pm ]
Post subject: 
hey zebraG thanks for your advice
but i forgot to put in some key points in my first post

From the time I take the bus, it is literally 10 mins to get to her bus stop (her getting in) and where I take my bus is the bus terminal so 100% she knows I came from there or a few stops after.

Plus the bus we take heads to 3 schools and they're all high schools, I stop
at the subway, and I bring my laptop with me all the time so she probably
can guess it off that I wouldn't be a high school student. Her bus stop looks
nowhere close to a subway.

But the idea of coming early and then dropping off at her bus stop, and then when I see her I would game her there is a good idea, but to be honest, I've thought of it before
but I literally have nothing to think of how I would go from there.

I'm afraid if I do stop at her bus stop, she will really think I am going to
game/hit on her, because we've been on the same bus for about 10x now.

I didn't bother gaming her before because I honestly didn't like her till recently.
Author:  Slip n Slide [ Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:18 am ]
Post subject: 
DUDE. This is the most AFC, depressing post in the world.

You planned out an entire conversation?? You haven't even approached the girl yet??

What if you say "Hey!" and she says, "Um, sorry, I really have to study right now." and looks down.
You haven't planned for that possibility, and it would crush all this masturbatory planning you've been doing.

Or what if she has a boyfriend?

Instead of planning how to approach 1 girl over the course of a month, why don't you approach 1 girl every day, and meet 30 girls over a month. Then you might find one you actually connect with, rather than pretending you connect with this girl you've never met.
Author:  nixxor [ Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:06 am ]
Post subject: 
LOL @ SLip and Slide....harsh words but true. and Zebra had some good suggestions too. Just a quick tip for your convo skills: stay away close-minded questions like do you have a sister? etc... No Do you / have you questions ...anything that she can just simply answer with a yes or no. Ask her deeper or more open minded question? like Hows? Why? etc.. Also you have to practice your "mindset" or so called Inner game. that's probably going to be the hardest part. THe questions and lines don't really matter and you shouldn't be focusing on those. Like Slip and Slide said... just go out and talk to girls and practice as much as you can
Author:  Fox123 [ Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:30 pm ]
Post subject: 
:/

Well I did pretty much say that this would be my very first attempt at "pick up"
and trying to have a successful one, not "talking/approaching girls", and also I did mention that I could not practice this whole PuA thing 100 times a day yet because of my studies..
And I did mention how I didn't start to plan this till recently (as in a few days ago)

In the summer for sure, I would be able to do shit like that but for now it is
IMPOSSIBLE.
But I do understand in your perspective though.
Anyways the more I defend my self here, the more I will look like a tool
I am also aware of the possibilities that you have pointed out, but thanks to both :D.

I just want to see on which level I am on right now, this is more of like a "test" for me
Author:  Eyrie [ Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:07 pm ]
Post subject: 
Quote:
but she really looks like a cool person to go out with.
Quote:
In the summer for sure, I would be able to do shit like that but for now it is
IMPOSSIBLE.
So you have enough time to be in a relationship but not enough time to game??. Stop throwing up excuses, game doesn't have to consist of approaching 100 times a day. You don't have start by approaching every hot girls you see, start simple. Hold eye contact whilst walking in the high street, mall, campus...etc. Once comfortable with this start approaching and go from there. You don't have to jump in the deep end. I suggest reading some of the journals on the forum if you haven't already.

Judging from you whole planned conversation it seems you may have oneitis with this girl, and you may come across needy whilst in conversation with her. You should opener her but lower your expectations of the outcome. Just my opinion, Good luck
Author:  Chai [ Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:42 pm ]
Post subject: 
Fox123, I didn't even want to finish reading the routine,
cause I know exactly where its going to lead if put
into practice. Nowhere :?

No offence man, but that's a real mundane way
to go about formulating a routine in order to
talk to a girl. I read the thing and it
seems more like an interview than
actual genuine conversation.
Why would she want to
invest her time in
'yes' or 'no'
questions?
That's lame man.

Its so mainstream nowadays that girls get hit on or
get into conversations with guys and they always ask
"Where you from? What do you do? What is your favourite color?"
If I was girl and a dude asked me what I was doing...I would say,
LEAVING.

I know alot of people say "be yourself" about the
whole thing, what does "be yourself" even mean? If you're
being yourself in that situation are you the guy who is shy,
nervous around other people and doesn't talk much... or are
you the opposite of what you are now and strive to be better
than that?

You need to be your BEST self dude. Be relaxed, cool and direct
about the whole thing, like you didn't even intend on talking to her.
I think a better route we be to do something like this:

You:(walk past her on the bus, notice that she's wearing a nice
outfit) "Hey, sorry to bother you, but I just wanted to let you know
that I really like your outfit. You have nice style :)"

Her"Oh wow, thanks :) I really like this outfit too!"

You: "No problem. Most of my girl-friends just try to
find anything in their closet, put that on, and hope for the best...! It's
nice to see girls in this school with some form of class ;)"

Her ":) Whats your name??"

You see how much better and more interesting that is and
how much easier it can get into a transition into separate topics?
Having her comply great with a genuine opener is way better
than asking her 'Do you have a sister here?'
Why would she want to talk about her sister when it's obvious
you want to talk about her?

As for trying to be comedic in routines, don't do it. Why
would you want to be her dancing monkey or entertainer
while she's waiting for something better of interest to come
along? Once you become someone dancing monkey
pet you quickly become their bitch.

Trust me man, direct is the best way to go about
getting the girl. Girls can actually tell most of the time
when you're bullshitting them, that's why its good to always
make a good first impression by coming off as genuine as you
can without making it seem like your trying to pick her up.
Author:  Fox123 [ Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:10 pm ]
Post subject: 
well most of the routines i've read has been mostly indirect
the reason I had those was because I read somewhere what you say doesn't
really matter, it's all about how you deliver it (expressions, gestures, etc.), which I am very confident that I can.

So I just put out whatever I thought would be able to start something without
being too direct which will cause her to defend her self or something

like if I say "Oh you look like someone I knew from Ryerson, do you have a sister?"
I think it's a very indirect talk but it has some kind of "meaning" and that is
oh I am gonna talk to you because I knew someone and you might be her sister etc.
Just like all the openers it was just an excuse to start something

but alright, like I said I am very new at pick up
and this routine i had made sense to me, but obviously I guess it wouldn't work
since most of you said so (considering you guys had a lot of experience too)
Author:  Fox123 [ Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:19 pm ]
Post subject: 
Quote:
Quote:
but she really looks like a cool person to go out with.
Quote:
In the summer for sure, I would be able to do shit like that but for now it is
IMPOSSIBLE.
So you have enough time to be in a relationship but not enough time to game??. Stop throwing up excuses, game doesn't have to consist of approaching 100 times a day. You don't have start by approaching every hot girls you see, start simple. Hold eye contact whilst walking in the high street, mall, campus...etc. Once comfortable with this start approaching and go from there. You don't have to jump in the deep end. I suggest reading some of the journals on the forum if you haven't already.

Judging from you whole planned conversation it seems you may have oneitis with this girl, and you may come across needy whilst in conversation with her. You should opener her but lower your expectations of the outcome. Just my opinion, Good luck
It is already finals where I am at, so obviously if I get her I can go out with her after finals (literally takes a whole week)
and I said it is impossible to game outside at THIS moment
And during the SUMMER I can which is AFTER finals

I really don't mean it to be complicated but I hope you understand

And yes my expectations on the outcome is pretty low already,
but on the other hand I just feel really great to be rejected

AND of course oneitis might be it is, but again this is just my first attempt,
fail or success, whatever.
I can see how this is an unproductive/nonsense thing
But this was just something I wanted to try.
Author:  LBot [ Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:22 am ]
Post subject: 
Quote:
The first thing to go through my mind...
"Hey, excuse me. I'm hoping that you can help me out; I've got a really long journey and I was hoping to find someone fun to talk to so it went quicker"

Problem with that is that she's already sat down so going to be really defensive when you invade her space because she's got nowhere to retreat to.

Perhaps get an earlier bus, get off at her stop then when she turns up:
"Excuse me, did I see you on the XX bus yesterday? Do you know when it comes past here? I just fell asleep on the bus, woke up and ran out thinking this was my stop. By the time I realised I was in the wrong place, the bus had gone."

You're just starting a casual conversation and can calibrate how close you are. Perhaps have a book open too so that she can tell you're doing something else if the conversation dries up. Same principal as "I've gotta meet my friends in a minute but I just had to speak to you first".

Alternatively, if she's listening to music and sat in front of you, ask her what the song is because you heard it on the radio yesterday and it'd been stuck on loop in your mind ever since.
^ pro tip! Didn't even need to read past the 2nd paragraph to know it.
Author:  LBot [ Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:31 am ]
Post subject: 
These other guys are using negativity to try and help you develop faster, I can see why and also agree with whoever called oneitis but ideally I would like you to just go get this done.

No matter what the outcome it's a stepping stone just remember that don't get crushed if it doesn't go to plan just keep on going 100% their advice is just to get you breaking approach anxiety and not get crushed by your crush if it doesn't pay out so keep that in mind.

But the thing is you gotta stay confident and if it's all you really wanna do is to mack on this girl than go do it.

Then even if it works out don't stop the approaches will help you in alot of aspects of life.
Author:  Fox123 [ Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:19 am ]
Post subject: 
alright thanks!
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