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I found this clip. It's pretty good. But as it ends the narrator brings up a great point. Woman are constantly giving out fake IOI's. How are you able to distinguish between real and fake? I have fallen victim many a time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBOtj1RmaUE

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Simple. Escalate, if she's into you, she will escalate with you, if not, you will know soon enough.

I dont really use IOI's that much, i think you can just a get "sense" for when a girl is really into you, but a lot of them time your in the dark. IOI's defiantly seem to also indicate that you just have good rapport with a girl, theres a few freindzoned girls that give me iois all the time that really confused me when i started reading pua material, until i realized it just means she likes your company, but not necessarily in a sexual way.

A woman who sexually attracted shows very different signs than someone she is attracted to as a person(such as a father, uncle, brother, etc.).

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A woman who sexually attracted shows very different signs than someone she is attracted to as a person(such as a father, uncle, brother, etc.).

Short breakdown of those different signs maybe?

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A woman who sexually attracted shows very different signs than someone she is attracted to as a person(such as a father, uncle, brother, etc.).

Short breakdown of those different signs maybe?

Preens, you don't need to look good for someone you just like as a person but you do if you are sexually interested. Touch, we avoid touching our parents, and relatives that we are attracted to as people or the touch is usually briefer. You can also pay attention to where the touch happens. Touch and preen happen more with someone we are sexually attracted to. Stronger eye contact in conjunction with more intent to touch actions(reaching toward you) also show up quite a bit.

Base lining her behavior is very important. If she is a touchy person you may not be able to use touch and distance as easily as a woman will be far more comfortable with it. If she is a woman that constantly preens you are going to have to throw that out the window and just escalate a little, jumping forward and than backing off, finding out how comfortable she is with it. Don't jump back if she is comfortable with it.

Pay attention to her behavior with other guys does she give you more eye contact than others? Does the timing of her preens match up with eye contact with you? Though it isn't always sexual attraction I'm a big fan of the foot point when it comes to showing interest, we point are foot at what we are most interested in.

Silverito, give me some time. I am getting some video equipment this week. You are the guy that got me into writing all this stuff. I'll put a video up on the difference between sexual attraction and just liking a person. I am going to start putting up more videos and blogs with regularity.

But any girl that you've just met you cant baseline because you haven't known her long enough, and if your contact is long enough with her to baseline, your either already in with this girl or friend-zoned. I'm sorry but ive never found IOI's to be usefull, sometimes ill pick up obviousness signs a girl is interested, but usually i just assume attraction and see where the interaction leads. When i was starting out trying to read IOI clusters and "preens" fucked me so badly with thinking girls were into me that just weren't/ i had built enough attraction when i hadn't.

Great, its always interesting to read you or watch your videos.
Cheers

Author:	adizzy [ Sun Mar 25, 2012 4:31 pm ]
Post subject:	Question on Body Language
I found this clip. It's pretty good. But as it ends the narrator brings up a great point. Woman are constantly giving out fake IOI's. How are you able to distinguish between real and fake? I have fallen victim many a time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBOtj1RmaUE

Author:	SexAddict911 [ Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:34 pm ]
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Quote: I found this clip. It's pretty good. But as it ends the narrator brings up a great point. Woman are constantly giving out fake IOI's. How are you able to distinguish between real and fake? I have fallen victim many a time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBOtj1RmaUE Simple. Escalate, if she's into you, she will escalate with you, if not, you will know soon enough.

Author:	GetFamiliar [ Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:24 pm ]
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Quote: Quote: I found this clip. It's pretty good. But as it ends the narrator brings up a great point. Woman are constantly giving out fake IOI's. How are you able to distinguish between real and fake? I have fallen victim many a time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBOtj1RmaUE Simple. Escalate, if she's into you, she will escalate with you, if not, you will know soon enough. One of the more logical statements on this board.

Author:	poeticlyskuac [ Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:25 pm ]
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There is a difference between initial attraction, flirting, actual attraction, and sexual tension. You need to pay attention to the consistency involved when it comes to body language follow the guidelines. Look for consistency, context, congruency(biggie), base lining, clusters, culture, and idiosyncratic behaviors(her little quirks). You can't say oh she is preening she is attracted, for some women they constantly preen. Some shy women constantly show submissive body language. Look for torso face/lean, foot point, and eye contact for more solid reasoning in attraction in conjunction with both preening and submissive signals. If she has intent actions to touch you or moves her body toward you. We close the distance with people we are attracted to(like a magnet), we move away from folks we aren't attracted to(or attracted enough to).

Author:	abyys [ Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:53 pm ]
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I dont really use IOI's that much, i think you can just a get "sense" for when a girl is really into you, but a lot of them time your in the dark. IOI's defiantly seem to also indicate that you just have good rapport with a girl, theres a few freindzoned girls that give me iois all the time that really confused me when i started reading pua material, until i realized it just means she likes your company, but not necessarily in a sexual way.

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Author:	poeticlyskuac [ Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:12 am ]
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Quote: I dont really use IOI's that much, i think you can just a get "sense" for when a girl is really into you, but a lot of them time your in the dark. IOI's defiantly seem to also indicate that you just have good rapport with a girl, theres a few freindzoned girls that give me iois all the time that really confused me when i started reading pua material, until i realized it just means she likes your company, but not necessarily in a sexual way. The "sense" you are talking about is your intuition. You are conditioned from millions of interactions and you feel ("sense") their attraction because your mind reacts and lets you know there is attraction through how you feel or what you "sense". You are not in the dark when it comes to attraction, you just need to learn to read it, IOIs are weak. I read them and some of them are solid, but just learning to read body language is a life saver. It teaches you how to interact with humans on a whole new level, knowing how someone is feeling by how high they hold their head or their shoulders, their face, or stance even. It is important to learn body language not just for PUA but for human interaction everywhere. However if you want to learn to be an attractive mate to more women, I suggest learning body language. You can advance through the courtship process at a comfortable speed, which means less last minute resistance. The goal for me is to make them want sex far more than me. There is certainly a difference between being attracted to you and being sexually attracted, but there is also a different behavior involved when it comes to sexual attraction and just being an attractive person (people like you). A woman who sexually attracted shows very different signs than someone she is attracted to as a person(such as a father, uncle, brother, etc.).

Author:	silverito [ Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:29 pm ]
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Quote: A woman who sexually attracted shows very different signs than someone she is attracted to as a person(such as a father, uncle, brother, etc.). Short breakdown of those different signs maybe?

Author:	JWahl [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:19 am ]
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Wow, this is awesome! I'm weak in this area and this is great info. Really studying how people really communicate is fascinating. Thanks!

Author:	poeticlyskuac [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:11 am ]
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Quote: Quote: A woman who sexually attracted shows very different signs than someone she is attracted to as a person(such as a father, uncle, brother, etc.). Short breakdown of those different signs maybe? Preens, you don't need to look good for someone you just like as a person but you do if you are sexually interested. Touch, we avoid touching our parents, and relatives that we are attracted to as people or the touch is usually briefer. You can also pay attention to where the touch happens. Touch and preen happen more with someone we are sexually attracted to. Stronger eye contact in conjunction with more intent to touch actions(reaching toward you) also show up quite a bit. Base lining her behavior is very important. If she is a touchy person you may not be able to use touch and distance as easily as a woman will be far more comfortable with it. If she is a woman that constantly preens you are going to have to throw that out the window and just escalate a little, jumping forward and than backing off, finding out how comfortable she is with it. Don't jump back if she is comfortable with it. Pay attention to her behavior with other guys does she give you more eye contact than others? Does the timing of her preens match up with eye contact with you? Though it isn't always sexual attraction I'm a big fan of the foot point when it comes to showing interest, we point are foot at what we are most interested in. Silverito, give me some time. I am getting some video equipment this week. You are the guy that got me into writing all this stuff. I'll put a video up on the difference between sexual attraction and just liking a person. I am going to start putting up more videos and blogs with regularity.

Author:	silverito [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:39 pm ]
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Great, its always interesting to read you or watch your videos. Cheers

Author:	adizzy [ Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:52 am ]
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Thanks again for the grea replys.

Author:	abyys [ Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:06 pm ]
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Quote: Quote: Quote: A woman who sexually attracted shows very different signs than someone she is attracted to as a person(such as a father, uncle, brother, etc.). Short breakdown of those different signs maybe? Preens, you don't need to look good for someone you just like as a person but you do if you are sexually interested. Touch, we avoid touching our parents, and relatives that we are attracted to as people or the touch is usually briefer. You can also pay attention to where the touch happens. Touch and preen happen more with someone we are sexually attracted to. Stronger eye contact in conjunction with more intent to touch actions(reaching toward you) also show up quite a bit. Base lining her behavior is very important. If she is a touchy person you may not be able to use touch and distance as easily as a woman will be far more comfortable with it. If she is a woman that constantly preens you are going to have to throw that out the window and just escalate a little, jumping forward and than backing off, finding out how comfortable she is with it. Don't jump back if she is comfortable with it. Pay attention to her behavior with other guys does she give you more eye contact than others? Does the timing of her preens match up with eye contact with you? Though it isn't always sexual attraction I'm a big fan of the foot point when it comes to showing interest, we point are foot at what we are most interested in. Silverito, give me some time. I am getting some video equipment this week. You are the guy that got me into writing all this stuff. I'll put a video up on the difference between sexual attraction and just liking a person. I am going to start putting up more videos and blogs with regularity. But any girl that you've just met you cant baseline because you haven't known her long enough, and if your contact is long enough with her to baseline, your either already in with this girl or friend-zoned. I'm sorry but ive never found IOI's to be usefull, sometimes ill pick up obviousness signs a girl is interested, but usually i just assume attraction and see where the interaction leads. When i was starting out trying to read IOI clusters and "preens" fucked me so badly with thinking girls were into me that just weren't/ i had built enough attraction when i hadn't.

Author:	poeticlyskuac [ Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:49 pm ]
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Quote: But any girl that you've just met you cant baseline because you haven't known her long enough, and if your contact is long enough with her to baseline, your either already in with this girl or friend-zoned. I'm sorry but ive never found IOI's to be usefull, sometimes ill pick up obviousness signs a girl is interested, but usually i just assume attraction and see where the interaction leads. When i was starting out trying to read IOI clusters and "preens" fucked me so badly with thinking girls were into me that just weren't/ i had built enough attraction when i hadn't. Well when you have base lined so many people you get a good feel for the type of person they are easily. You can also tell by the timing of the behavior, the timing will align with who eye contact where as when they are preening because it is natural they just preen, the behavior is focused more on herself than for you. Well courtship has phases, attraction doesn't equal elevation. You have to follow the response curve of the woman you are with, your attraction is merely an opening for the interview. You haven't got the job yet. IOIs aren't reading body language. They are completely different. I don't read IOIs, I read body language, attraction is among the things I read with a person. I read body language and attraction is included in it.

Author:	poeticlyskuac [ Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:28 pm ]
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Quote: Great, its always interesting to read you or watch your videos. Cheers http://youtu.be/MT5zOwggLOA She is attracted but is it Sexual Attraction or Liking you as a Friend As promised.

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