PUA Forum :: Eye Contact?

Ok so this probably happens to all of us, we see a HB and she either eye fucks us or does a quick gaze into your eyes.

Once you make eye contact, I was told to keep staring at her until she breaks.. So you don't look like a bitch. But Its sort of awkward and I feel like im starting her down..

Anyone have a good technique here? Should you wink, raise your eye browns?

Also, do you mention the staring when you approach? "I saw you checkin me out.., Etc"

DON'T break into a big grin. just a hint of a smile is enough to show that you are enjoying it but not flustered. do stare her down. the ones that play the staring game longest are the ones with spirit and the most fun to be with.

My old philosophy was to act in accord with however I felt. I would stare down a girl, but once it got awkward, I would break eye contact assuming I had passed the subconscious Alpha assessment because I waited long enough.

My new philosophy is to hold it till she breaks it, no matter what. It's kind of simple. She's holding eye contact with you, which means as "awkward" as it gets for you, it should theoretically be getting just as awkward for her. Which means the two possibilities are:

(a) It's actually not getting awkward for her, in which case you can stare at her
(b) It IS getting awkward for her, but she's holding eye contact anyways. That means there's no reasonable "threat" in your willingness to mirror her stare. It's just a question of state control.

So long as you don't hold eye contact AFTER she's already broken it; there's nothing wrong with it.

Smiling too much / breaking eye contact or looking down submissively are both reflexes that function to reduce your level of threat projection. They were never selected out via evolution, even on women, because they increased chances of survival in a hyper competitive secksual market.

The difference between holding eye contact / breaking it correlates with the difference between Alpha/beta. As a beta, you want to reduce threat as much as possible because your chances of survival are increased the most by SEEKING APPROVAL from those people that threaten you. As an Alpha, your chances of survival are irrelevant as you're "capable" of surviving regardless of another's approval. Hence it becomes more a question of procuring reproductive proxies (submission from others, dominance, territory, etc); and so you want to MAXIMIZE threat projection rather than minimize it.

If you'll recall from the game, it's "survival of the smoothest" because we now live in a world where social adaptivity is the barometer to success, not physical adaptivity. So all this shit about threat projection gets translated to its socially fluid version, and comes out in much more subtle forms like eye contact, body language, and tone of voice

here's the problem, it may not work for a certain age group and those with certain looks. i have heard stories of girls getting bouncers to kick guys out because they would stare at them. is that worth having that happen?

Author:	sawyer24 [ Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:54 pm ]
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Ok so this probably happens to all of us, we see a HB and she either eye fucks us or does a quick gaze into your eyes. Once you make eye contact, I was told to keep staring at her until she breaks.. So you don't look like a bitch. But Its sort of awkward and I feel like im starting her down.. Anyone have a good technique here? Should you wink, raise your eye browns? Also, do you mention the staring when you approach? "I saw you checkin me out.., Etc"

Author:	GetFamiliar [ Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:06 pm ]
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Quote: Ok so this probably happens to all of us, we see a HB and she either eye fucks us or does a quick gaze into your eyes. Once you make eye contact, I was told to keep staring at her until she breaks.. So you don't look like a bitch. But Its sort of awkward and I feel like im starting her down.. Anyone have a good technique here? Should you wink, raise your eye browns? Also, do you mention the staring when you approach? "I saw you checkin me out.., Etc" Smile at her during the eye contact, so she knows that you aren't threatening her. Mentioning the eye contact would be a good move because it shows that you aren't shy about making a connection.

Author:	mintsauce [ Sun Mar 25, 2012 6:46 pm ]
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DON'T break into a big grin. just a hint of a smile is enough to show that you are enjoying it but not flustered. do stare her down. the ones that play the staring game longest are the ones with spirit and the most fun to be with.

Author:	GetFamiliar [ Sun Mar 25, 2012 7:23 pm ]
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Quote: DON'T break into a big grin. just a hint of a smile is enough to show that you are enjoying it but not flustered. do stare her down. the ones that play the staring game longest are the ones with spirit and the most fun to be with. This depends on whether we are speaking of day game or night game. I would be hesitant to stare anyone down while doing day game.

Author:	Hakuna [ Sun Mar 25, 2012 8:10 pm ]
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My old philosophy was to act in accord with however I felt. I would stare down a girl, but once it got awkward, I would break eye contact assuming I had passed the subconscious Alpha assessment because I waited long enough. My new philosophy is to hold it till she breaks it, no matter what. It's kind of simple. She's holding eye contact with you, which means as "awkward" as it gets for you, it should theoretically be getting just as awkward for her. Which means the two possibilities are: (a) It's actually not getting awkward for her, in which case you can stare at her (b) It IS getting awkward for her, but she's holding eye contact anyways. That means there's no reasonable "threat" in your willingness to mirror her stare. It's just a question of state control. So long as you don't hold eye contact AFTER she's already broken it; there's nothing wrong with it. Smiling too much / breaking eye contact or looking down submissively are both reflexes that function to reduce your level of threat projection. They were never selected out via evolution, even on women, because they increased chances of survival in a hyper competitive secksual market. The difference between holding eye contact / breaking it correlates with the difference between Alpha/beta. As a beta, you want to reduce threat as much as possible because your chances of survival are increased the most by SEEKING APPROVAL from those people that threaten you. As an Alpha, your chances of survival are irrelevant as you're "capable" of surviving regardless of another's approval. Hence it becomes more a question of procuring reproductive proxies (submission from others, dominance, territory, etc); and so you want to MAXIMIZE threat projection rather than minimize it. If you'll recall from the game, it's "survival of the smoothest" because we now live in a world where social adaptivity is the barometer to success, not physical adaptivity. So all this shit about threat projection gets translated to its socially fluid version, and comes out in much more subtle forms like eye contact, body language, and tone of voice

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Author:	GetFamiliar [ Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:49 pm ]
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Quote: My old philosophy was to act in accord with however I felt. I would stare down a girl, but once it got awkward, I would break eye contact assuming I had passed the subconscious Alpha assessment because I waited long enough. My new philosophy is to hold it till she breaks it, no matter what. It's kind of simple. She's holding eye contact with you, which means as "awkward" as it gets for you, it should theoretically be getting just as awkward for her. Which means the two possibilities are: (a) It's actually not getting awkward for her, in which case you can stare at her (b) It IS getting awkward for her, but she's holding eye contact anyways. That means there's no reasonable "threat" in your willingness to mirror her stare. It's just a question of state control. So long as you don't hold eye contact AFTER she's already broken it; there's nothing wrong with it. Smiling too much / breaking eye contact or looking down submissively are both reflexes that function to reduce your level of threat projection. They were never selected out via evolution, even on women, because they increased chances of survival in a hyper competitive secksual market. The difference between holding eye contact / breaking it correlates with the difference between Alpha/beta. As a beta, you want to reduce threat as much as possible because your chances of survival are increased the most by SEEKING APPROVAL from those people that threaten you. As an Alpha, your chances of survival are irrelevant as you're "capable" of surviving regardless of another's approval. Hence it becomes more a question of procuring reproductive proxies (submission from others, dominance, territory, etc); and so you want to MAXIMIZE threat projection rather than minimize it. If you'll recall from the game, it's "survival of the smoothest" because we now live in a world where social adaptivity is the barometer to success, not physical adaptivity. So all this shit about threat projection gets translated to its socially fluid version, and comes out in much more subtle forms like eye contact, body language, and tone of voice I think I understand what you're getting at, but the logic of what you're saying is not fluid. Maximizing threat projection no matter what would make you the opposite of socially adaptive. This is the point where people take "being alpha" to a level of extremity that hinders their success in social situations. Giving off the air that you truly do not give a crap about anyone at all would maximize your threat projection, but it would horribly damage your game because it would push people away. We don't go through the processes of comfort building and kino escalation just because they sound cool. We do these things because they make people feel closer to us by showing them we are not threats, so that they will comprehend that we are ideal partners for mutually beneficial relationships.

Author:	poeticlyskuac [ Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:49 am ]
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Quote: My old philosophy was to act in accord with however I felt. I would stare down a girl, but once it got awkward, I would break eye contact assuming I had passed the subconscious Alpha assessment because I waited long enough. My new philosophy is to hold it till she breaks it, no matter what. It's kind of simple. She's holding eye contact with you, which means as "awkward" as it gets for you, it should theoretically be getting just as awkward for her. Which means the two possibilities are: (a) It's actually not getting awkward for her, in which case you can stare at her (b) It IS getting awkward for her, but she's holding eye contact anyways. That means there's no reasonable "threat" in your willingness to mirror her stare. It's just a question of state control. So long as you don't hold eye contact AFTER she's already broken it; there's nothing wrong with it. Smiling too much / breaking eye contact or looking down submissively are both reflexes that function to reduce your level of threat projection. They were never selected out via evolution, even on women, because they increased chances of survival in a hyper competitive secksual market. The difference between holding eye contact / breaking it correlates with the difference between Alpha/beta. As a beta, you want to reduce threat as much as possible because your chances of survival are increased the most by SEEKING APPROVAL from those people that threaten you. As an Alpha, your chances of survival are irrelevant as you're "capable" of surviving regardless of another's approval. Hence it becomes more a question of procuring reproductive proxies (submission from others, dominance, territory, etc); and so you want to MAXIMIZE threat projection rather than minimize it. If you'll recall from the game, it's "survival of the smoothest" because we now live in a world where social adaptivity is the barometer to success, not physical adaptivity. So all this shit about threat projection gets translated to its socially fluid version, and comes out in much more subtle forms like eye contact, body language, and tone of voice Fantastic Effin post! I too prefer to make eye contact until she breaks it. However, I tend to start with little flirting signals in body language. I add a smile or smirk. When we get a smile we give a smile. A smile gives us a positive feeling(literally) if you consciously smile through some rough moments you will make yourself feel better. Sometimes(most of the time really) I add a brow raise which seems to remind all of us of the great feeling we got as babies when our Mom raised her brows while smiling at us. It reminds us of that previous bond we had, more specifically it gives us a good feeling. This gives her a positive reaction when she LOOKS at me, so she is initially attracted most of the time. That is my non-threatening form of body language I use while evoking a positive feeling, but I DO NOT LOOK AWAY, I maintain strong eye contact. My goal is to grab attention(eye contact) get recognition(my flirting signals sent), those were Givens first two phases of courtship. Hopefully she gets the message and sends her interest back(I see it through approach cues). The confidence I have is shown in how I hold my head, my shoulders, stance, presence really. My relaxed behavior, having fun, and comfort are traits of a "alpha" male(according to Robert Sapolsky). I am confident with nonthreatening behavior.

Author:	will29 [ Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:05 pm ]
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here's the problem, it may not work for a certain age group and those with certain looks. i have heard stories of girls getting bouncers to kick guys out because they would stare at them. is that worth having that happen?

Author:	silverito [ Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:20 pm ]
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Quote: here's the problem, it may not work for a certain age group and those with certain looks. i have heard stories of girls getting bouncers to kick guys out because they would stare at them. is that worth having that happen? Keeping non threatening eye contact is not the same as staring at them. but you must give at least some tiny smile or any other positive sign along. Completely neutral face while holding eye contact till she breaks it is strange, its like 2 men stare each other to see who is "stronger". And its not cool to do that with women. So you must add some clue that you are holding non threatening eye contact.

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