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Author:  smackdat [ Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:13 pm ]
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Ok guys

I'm new here psychology student

There is a new girl in work and she is very pretty and most of my co workers are men so I knew she would get lots of attention 10/10 girl.

I made no intentions to introduce myself to her when everyone else was trying to chat her up (First part of the plan). I would stand beside her and not say a word. I’m one of the popular guys in work so everyone is always chatting to me (mainly lads)... So after a few days she comes up to me and tries to talk...I knew this would happen as I knew she would start to question herself about why I was not talking to her and what she had done or not done.... so I give her a few blunt answers....and walked away....so she tries this a few more times and I keep with the short the answers....I insult her a few times on her work...and roll my eyes and walk away....when I look over she is always looking me however I never look or give her a dirty look. ....I now have her in a box while the
Author:  pumpington [ Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:25 pm ]
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looks like you are killing your chances,

sounds like you had some good social proof, she saw it,

you have been playing it as if you are shy, so she approached you first, maybe she is even interested in you,

now you are being rude and punishing good behavior,

when things are going well escalate, when things are not going well, just lose interest and withdraw, you don't have to be rude to emphasize a loss of interest

and insults are not negs, the whole idea of neg hits, are to show a value disparity and challenge her ego, not insult her, your goal if building attraction is to get her to look up to you and think you're cool, not get her to resent you and think you are a dick
Author:  smackdat [ Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:25 pm ]
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looks like you are killing your chances,

sounds like you had some good social proof, she saw it,

you have been playing it as if you are shy, so she approached you first, maybe she is even interested in you,

now you are being rude and punishing good behavior,

when things are going well escalate, when things are not going well, just lose interest and withdraw, you don't have to be rude to emphasize a loss of interest

and insults are not negs, the whole idea of neg hits, are to show a value disparity and challenge her ego, not insult her, your goal if building attraction is to get her to look up to you and think you're cool, not get her to resent you and think you are a dick

No man

I have been treating her badly so she will become self conscious as no one treats her badly...also I'm only a 6 while she is a 10...

If I say anything she is clingling onto every word...almost coming all over herself

I'm now going to slowly go from bad guy to good guy back to bad guy to make her feel as tho she has done something to make me change


she was almost crying when I gave her a neg
Author:  NASA man!!! [ Wed Mar 21, 2012 9:52 am ]
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you dont even know what your talking about pumpington is right, she was interested in you for other reasons, what your doing is cruel and even hindering to your game, you dont need to be a sadist to pick up the ladies you need to be a leader. some people on here get so focused on being pua's and forget to be human beings first and foremost.
Author:  Greenleaf1019 [ Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:28 pm ]
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Your an idiot. You had your chance but your messing it up. That's not pick up, that's just being a straight up blue ribbon asshole.

A neg is a back handed compliment, but it should be light enough for her to look for some sort of approval/qualification. Neg's can be subtle, just enough for her to feel it, but not heavy enough so that she's crying. They're used to lower her BS (Bitch Shield), but it looks to me like she probably didn't really have one. Even if she did, one is enough.

You apparently do not understanding Negging.

But to me it sounds like your torturing the poor thing. Not only that, but it's at work, so she feels trapped.

Stop being a complete asshole. If you had any spine left enough to call yourself a man, then you'd apologize and change your shit.
Author:  Holiday M.D. [ Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:26 pm ]
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Whats up guy, dont think too hard on these guys talking down on you. Everyones game is different, unique, how you calibrate it to different senarios is how you play it personally. Do what works for you. That being said ill perscribe a little food for thought.
a. I try to keep co-workers in the friend zone to eliminate the possibility of bringing personal drama to work.
B. Your already a cool guy with alot of positivity to share thats why people like you, so spread the good vibes to her and expect nothing in return.
c. Ask her and a group of co-workers to go to lunch on fridays, from there build report. Get a number and try to set her up with some of your buddys, this will make her more confortable with you and she is likley to reciprocate the kindness later on.

Your a psycology major so you understand characteristics and behaviors of the mind, use it to your advantage.
in the end the game is about 30% physical and 70% mental go gettem' champ.
Author:  NASA man!!! [ Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:23 pm ]
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oh don't worry holiday their is room on here for you to, your right everyone's game is different but flaws in game are flaws in game no-matter the game with exceptions to every rule but however your game is this forum should never condone verbal cruelty for the personal sake of getting laid one of the most important rules of pick up is that she leaves a better person as well as you, that's how pickup can better society. I don't think you can disagree with that.
Author:  sawyer24 [ Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:58 pm ]
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looks like you are killing your chances,

sounds like you had some good social proof, she saw it,

you have been playing it as if you are shy, so she approached you first, maybe she is even interested in you,

now you are being rude and punishing good behavior,

when things are going well escalate, when things are not going well, just lose interest and withdraw, you don't have to be rude to emphasize a loss of interest

and insults are not negs, the whole idea of neg hits, are to show a value disparity and challenge her ego, not insult her, your goal if building attraction is to get her to look up to you and think you're cool, not get her to resent you and think you are a dick
I agree with pump. You had a good start, but once you get her to approach you, turn the game on. Start being friendly/cocky etc.

Don't be a jerk she might end up hating you.
Author:  Genetix [ Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:07 pm ]
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This is not GAME. what you are doing is pure evil. I love women. They make everything I do much more interesting, you arent playing any game right now brother, you already had her approach you GOOD JOB there you should have IOI'd her not punished her for good behavior. you need the basics my man. Good job on getting her to approach you though that was a good play.

P.S. I am a psychology student too. I understand where your coming from but you should also know then that positive reinforcement is stronger than punishment.
Author:  Holiday M.D. [ Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:14 pm ]
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you should also know then that positive reinforcement is stronger than punishment.
Exactly!
Author:  adizzy [ Sat Mar 24, 2012 2:43 am ]
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This is not GAME. what you are doing is pure evil. I love women. They make everything I do much more interesting, you arent playing any game right now brother, you already had her approach you GOOD JOB there you should have IOI'd her not punished her for good behavior. you need the basics my man. Good job on getting her to approach you though that was a good play.

P.S. I am a psychology student too. I understand where your coming from but you should also know then that positive reinforcement is stronger than punishment.
Can you give me examples of how to IOI in this instance...how do you reward good behavior.?..Im with the OP you start out by acting like her shit stinks just like everyone else....but how do you flip it?
Author:  smackdat [ Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:49 pm ]
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Ok I have her now

Last week when we were writing our names on a piece of paper I grabbed the pen and look stared right into her eyes....she looked like she was hypnotised

we had to do a job together and I gave her a non verbal neg's and she asked me what I was thinking ....I would not tell her and she keep asking and I never told her

she is always looking over at me and last week I told her I need her opinion on wheather I should get my hair cut as I have a date
:wink:

she said no and she likes it

she then started questioning me about the date and gave her a few details



I would have never got this girls attention if I had not been able to play with her head
Author:  Entourages [ Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:44 am ]
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Pumpington is 100% correct, why are you throwing her away so easily. You have to push/pull, not just pull. You said she is a 10/10 you think she isn't going to meet another dude within the time frame she finally gets your attention and "now." Seriously?

There is no reason to insult her, maybe make fun of her in a cute way, but to insult and roll your eyes, shes gonna think what a douche, and then the girls in the office will all hear about it and your social proof for the girls, which is all that matters, is your a douche. Sure some might want you cause your the bad boy, but some if not more wont.

I think you need to rethink your social strategy here. Give her some rewards and show interest, but at the same time push her away, seriously pull her in and spin her and then push her away and say this wont happen, then laugh and walk away as if you have work (which you should have). She will then be like wdf that never happens to me.
Author:  RetiredRodeo [ Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:33 pm ]
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Stop trying to overthink this....

The game works, use the steps.
Author:  smackdat [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:14 pm ]
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so last week in work

She comes in the door and says Hi so I wink...playing it all cool and not bothered

There is going to be a worker night out so 3 of us sitting in a small room and she is right in front of me, but i ignore her and ask the other two people if they are going to the party..she thens says what about me?? why did you not ask me??

Anyways I can see she is kinda watching me alot ...so I go over and start flirting with a good looking girl and who pops there head out the door only the target and stands looking at us...with a serious face

So after a while I'm walking through work and she sees me and starts waving really hard but I just wink at her and tell her she is so lazy in work (neg) and laugh

She is waiting outside work..talking to a few workers and she shouts in "there is X( My name)"

I dont even look over and I did not go outside

I'm going to proceed to the next level ??
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