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Author:  Midrange [ Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:04 pm ]
Post subject:  open without eye contact?
Just curious how often you guys will open a girl without getting good eye contact first. should you? or should you always try to get EC first.. even moving closer or towards her field of view if you need? i know this is a simple one, but i've got pretty bad AA so would like to hear from those who've done it yet.

and for reference this will be for college bar scene.
Author:  Sparroww [ Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:29 pm ]
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If you get eye contact then definitely approach, but you don't need EC first.
Author:  Hakuna [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:06 am ]
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Absolutely irrelevant. If I see a bangable girl and I'm not exhausted from fapping all morning and afternoon, I approach whether she looks at me or not. Eye contact, like a shot of tequila or a custom fit suit, will give you a surge of confidence especially if you're struggling against AA; but you will come to a point where it becomes unnecessary.

College is an easy place to game. Just remember one thing, girls TALK. And in college, where they're always together in their dorms, they TALK ALOT. That means if you can get a 4.0 while majoring in astrophysics or Math - they will talk about how smart you are. If you're on an athletic team, they'll talk about your achievements. If you're an entrepreneur, they'll talk about how dedicated you are in your goal to make money. If you go to the gym 5 times a week and get a shredded body and practice fucking by raping bears in the wilderness, they'll talk about how good you are in bed. It's the easiest place in the whole fucking world to build social proof.
Author:  Sparroww [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:34 am ]
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If you go to the gym 5 times a week and get a shredded body and practice fucking by raping bears in the wilderness
Been following me man? :D
Seriously though, that was fucking hilarious.
Author:  Midrange [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:12 am ]
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I've been hitting the gym hard 5 days a week.. but the bear thing. My god, where have I been? I've never heard of that training method.



And yeah man, bad AA. Its odd though, I don't get nervous, I just make excuses like "not sure what to say" "she's with a friend" "too many of my friends are watching" etc. Fuck me man. Going to the usual bar tomorrow night, gotta finally break this.

Any suggestions for if I know a lot of people there? I literally know like half the bar, so sometimes I feel like I don't want to go hit on a girl with friends watching. I suppose no one cares though.. everyone's drunk and talking with people, how do they know who I know?
Author:  AFC AzA [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:28 am ]
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I've been hitting the gym hard 5 days a week.. but the bear thing. My god, where have I been? I've never heard of that training method.



And yeah man, bad AA. Its odd though, I don't get nervous, I just make excuses like "not sure what to say" "she's with a friend" "too many of my friends are watching" etc. Fuck me man. Going to the usual bar tomorrow night, gotta finally break this.

Any suggestions for if I know a lot of people there? I literally know like half the bar, so sometimes I feel like I don't want to go hit on a girl with friends watching. I suppose no one cares though.. everyone's drunk and talking with people, how do they know who I know?
yes thats tough I know. But most of the guys watching and making fun of you/me's are fucking reactions. we are actions. they dont have the balls. we have.
Author:  pumpington [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:16 am ]
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I've been hitting the gym hard 5 days a week.. but the bear thing. My god, where have I been? I've never heard of that training method.



And yeah man, bad AA. Its odd though, I don't get nervous, I just make excuses like "not sure what to say" "she's with a friend" "too many of my friends are watching" etc. Fuck me man. Going to the usual bar tomorrow night, gotta finally break this.

Any suggestions for if I know a lot of people there? I literally know like half the bar, so sometimes I feel like I don't want to go hit on a girl with friends watching. I suppose no one cares though.. everyone's drunk and talking with people, how do they know who I know?
hit on old women or girls you find extremely ugly, get their numbers, delete them afterwards, just practise your skills, also approach big groups with the intention of getting blown out, there are a few different things you can do to practise this here are some blowout openers

-excuse me but could you please blow me out

-hey, do you girls have a phone so I can call the police? (girls blah blah blah), Thank god I found you, I needed to call the boner police really bad because I saw you guys and I need to be arressted

-Hey girls, nobody loves me, please reject me like all the other girls in the world

-(use random muscle jokes and keep segwaying with ohh you like that?, well how about this? and keep dishing them out)

Hey girls, you got your tickets?... TOOO THE GUN SHOW!! *FLEX*

Did you hear about the baby mixup at the hospital?..... THEY'RE LOOKIN FOR THESE BABIES *flex*

OH... MY.... GOD.... Call a plumber cause my pipes are cracking *FLEX*

Whoa, but did you hear about that terrible disaster at the zoo?.... THE PYTHONS HAVE ESCAPED!! *FLEX*

after you use a blow out opener, just open as usual, try to make yourself feel uncomfortable as much as possible for a few weeks, if your super nervous shaking, can barely talk, have so much adrenaline running through you that your hands are shaking and your mind is blank... that is a good sign, keep doing that and facing it, and eventually what used to make you feel uncomfortable feels like drinking a nice cold refreshing glass of water, the approach anxiety never goes away, but you learn to deal with it and adapt to it much better the more you face it, it sort of becomes more like an excitement and rush, then a fear

and when ever you find yourself making excuses just realize it and go open anyone, any random person, girl, guy, old person, young person, hot person, ugly person, just go be social and open, then once warmed up you can try to get something accomplished and make a connection

GOOD LUCK
Author:  Midrange [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:33 pm ]
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Haha, some of those are freaking awesome. I think a lot of times, trying to get rejected would actual work in the opposite direction. Nick mentioned that in Fearless, how he would teach his students to try to get rejected, and usually they wouldn't. I wonder how "Hi, could you please reject me?" would work.

I have two issues with the approaching/number closing any girl tactic though. I know a lot of people say you have to do this. First off, I know its a curse but I'm incredibly picky with the girls I find attractive. So if I'm going to approach someone, I want them to be hot. This is partly because I feel its too insincere and an insult to the girl if I have no actual intention of talking to her again.
Other issue comes back to the fact that I know so many people where I would game. For one, I've got to worry about others thinking I'm hitting on ugly chicks. Also, if I start getting numbers and never talking to girls again, I've got to worry about that getting around to other people there or my friends.


So yeah, I think I'm just gonna go for the chicks I want tonight. Just gotta not overthink it and just do it. I wouldn't mind getting rejected.. I don't think I ever have so it's something I need to experience.
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