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Author:  fila [ Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:15 am ]
Post subject:  Best Opinion openers in Loud Clubs/Bars
Hey guys,

I'm looking for some good opinion openers. I often freeze up in bars/clubs and dont know what to say, so canned material is very helpful for me.

Thanks
Author:  0uch [ Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:53 am ]
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The solution to your problem is not to find the best opinion opener. The solution is to forget every opinion opener, or opener you know, and just memorize two openers or opinion openers. Your only limited to 2 openers, that's it!

Even with 2 openers, you will find yourself using just one. On top of that, you will not have the problem "you don't know what to say." Your brain is not cycle through list of openers you know. Instead, it has only 2 and it can process it fairly quickly.
Author:  Chai [ Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:36 pm ]
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The thing with using opinion openers in clubs is not the
fact that they don't work, it's about how the target
complies with the question you're asking without
making it seem like you're hitting on them
or trying to pick them up. Think about
it like this. The second the girl see's
you coming directly to her she'
already thinking "Oh god,
another guy coming to
pick me up..." That's
her first response towards
you and that will trigger a bitch
shield against you.

Lets say you do ask her the opinion on whatever
it may be and she's thinking now "He came
all this way to get my opinion on something?
He's hitting on me"


You've got to come under the radar and penetrate her
defences better without looking like your wanting to
get with her in some way. The best way to
go about this is to build social proof in the
club/area...wherever, make friends with
small groups of people in that area so
she can see that people know you
and you are friendly and at the
same time she'll be thinking
"Hey, why does he know
everyone in here and not me? I'M
THE HOTTEST GIRL IN THIS PLACE?! How
can he not know me :(" She will then
be more inclined, if not attracted to
you indirectly just by not approaching
her at all.

You get me? By building up the social proof
value around yourself you will attract girls to
you because you seem to know everyone in
the venue except them...and they want
to know who you are, this then causes
PRE-SELECTION! Ahhh...you see what
i'm getting at? :D

My advice, scrap the opinion opener.
Author:  0uch [ Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:28 pm ]
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opinion openers are good, but it has to seem random. You can't see your target from cross the room, cut through bunch of people and go up to her and open with an opinion opener, unless you open the rest of the rest on your way there. Is better to go direct instead, or social direct.
Author:  Chai [ Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:12 pm ]
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Quote:
You can't see your target from cross the room, cut through bunch of people and go up to her and open with an opinion opener, unless you open the rest of the rest on your way there.
Of course you can see your target from across the room! What
are you near sighted or something lol :) ? If my target is
50ft away from me, I'm at the bar and she's at the
couches chilling, I can see her sitting there! If
you can't see your target from a distance how
do you expect to approach her?
Quote:
Is better to go direct instead, or social direct.


Direct is direct is direct, there is no differentiation, either way
your going to talk :roll:
Author:  mhouser54 [ Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Opinion openers
In my experience opinion openers are really played out. Since The PUA was on VH1, every girl knows about opinion openers. Try a different method. Act like you're going to the bar and then just say hello or approach one of her friends instead. Shift your conversation from the friend over to her gradually.
Author:  Chai [ Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:58 pm ]
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Agreed. But I wouldn't lose alot of sleep over the fact that
alot of women may have seen the show (I mean, I do direct
game so it doesn't affect me in any way :) ) I don't
think alot of women watched that show, I don't know
the exact demographic (male/female) of the people that watched the show
all I know is that the ratings weren't as good for season 1
when compared to season 2.

Season ONE only attracted daily 673 000 viewers which is
initially disappointing. Considering how many women
on this planet (BILLIONS) tuned into watch this
show to see everything was done...i'm sure
not every girl would know about the show
or what was shown in it. Girls are too
busy in their own shit to focus on
stuff like that. Sure, there have
been times where they have
caught onto guys using the
same lines on them as
the next one did, but
that's because they take the opinions
for granted and don't use new material.
They don't think "Hey, this is a pretty
popular club. I wonder how many times
this opinion opener has been used here...?"

It's just common sense. If you go into a high
profile club and you run the same game on
girls all the time, one or a few of them are
bound to hear it from someone else or
whatnot.

But I do initially agree though, don't approach
your target directly...talk to her friend first
and then focus your attention on your
target later.
Author:  mhouser54 [ Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:28 am ]
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Chai,

You're right about not losing sleep over using material from the show. For me personally, I don't use opinion openers. But this only spans from watching a friend get called out on it. A girl was like "Are you trying to use The Mystery Method on me?" After I laughed for a month straight at him I swore I would never get called out for a method. More than likely you won't get called out, but I prefer less known approaching methods in the clubs.
Author:  Chai [ Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:47 am ]
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Haha sucks to be him.
It's strange when that happens though doesn't it? Like the
chick suddenly inhibits this power of shooting down
all the chances you'd have just by mentioning
the techniques you're trying to use on her!
It's funny yet interesting at the same time.
I feel, in my opinion, that those kinda
opinion openers may have worked wonders
years ago cause they were fresh and
no one knew about them but ever
since they've been mercilessly
used over and over again without
any modification or alternations,
chicks have caught on and guys have
been caught out!

:o I mean, it's not even hard to create an opener
if you know what to do. I decided a while ago
just to create my own set of openers and
transitions so I won't get caught haha
Author:  getwit [ Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Opinion openers
Quote:
In my experience opinion openers are really played out. Since The PUA was on VH1, every girl knows about opinion openers. Try a different method. Act like you're going to the bar and then just say hello or approach one of her friends instead. Shift your conversation from the friend over to her gradually.
Simplest, and not coincidentally, best answer here thusfar
Author:  Luva Boy [ Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:02 am ]
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Forget opinion openers, opening direct with strong eye contact, loud voice and a breaking rapport tonality is best.
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