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Author:  JamesBond007 [ Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:20 am ]
Post subject:  When you open, and she ignores or doesnt "hear you"

When you open with FTC in a loud club, over the shoulder and smiling but the girls still dont answer, is it tryhard to repeat the opener 2 more times? Or should i next them?

Author:  zzzz [ Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:26 am ]
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Just move on immediately

Author:  khuram [ Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:52 am ]
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say(loudly) hey (or hi whateva) and pause, after they are looking at you, then delive your ftc or whatever,

Author:  Vaako [ Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:04 am ]
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Repeating is definetly DLV, like try hard and looking for attention. Agree with post above - say Hey, then wait and then deliver opener... If they don't answer just roll off and get into next set. Try to aviod noisy zones coz you have to speak unnaturally loud and they will not hear you that well anyway

Author:  pumpington [ Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:25 am ]
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wtf is ftc? if you are having trouble getting attention, put your hand on them, or say LOOK, or LISTEN,

just open with, hi, having a good time?

or hey, just had to come meet you, you (are) cute/adorable/hot/beautiful/stunning/looking lovely/ good looking/ attractive/ georgous/ must be a model/ must be an actress/ sexy/ fucking sexy/a smokeshow


just eject, 1-2 minutes after opening, don't try to hook for too long, after about 5+ minutes go back an re-open, the girls should actually talk to you, because they know you are not some needy stalker who will harass them for 2 hours just because they were friendly
(this is what bodyrocking/time constraint tries to accomplish, then the neg makes bitches behave but don't neg if you don't understand what it is and what it is for, it is not an insult, and is not at all required if the girl is not being rude)

Author:  JamesBond007 [ Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:54 am ]
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Thanks guys! I thought the opener should run fast to seem casual. The "pausing" is new, hmm i will fieldtest that.

FTC=False time constraint. 8)

About the neg, yes i get blown out if i neg 7-8:s with "youve got something on you nose", or "your hands are sweaty, or even "hands of, costs you 50 bucks each time you touch." if i do them after A1. Because girls tend to touch right of the bat for some reason (maybe because im not leaning in, and the club is loud).

Im pretty new at doing MM wich is my choise of learning game, so ive removed some negs. I know they are for 9:s and 10:s, but those superhot chicks bow me out even before i open my mouth LOL.I game mostly 7-8,5 for practice. Ive only been practicing hardcore 4 nights over 2 weeks as of this weekend. I plan to do 3 nights a week now.

So i dont have to NEG in A2? Because ive noticed if i dont neg, they get bored, if i do neg, they blow me out. Its like WTF??

Is it better replacing negs with self-disqualifiers instead, like "im not BF material"?


BTW thanks to MM i got my first makeout/kissclose within 6 minutes after i entered the club this weekend, with a blond party girl 8,2 girl. I was like WTF, this shit is magic, also she tasted yummy! I did A1 then i got A2 after 2 seconds, 3 minutes later we were kissing but after i qualified her with 2 fast questions:) I didnt get the chance to run all of my material LOL But she lost interest in me because i was like WTF do i say do now?

Author:  pumpington [ Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:18 am ]
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Thanks guys! I thought the opener should run fast to seem casual. The "pausing" is new, hmm i will fieldtest that.

FTC=False time constraint. 8)

About the neg, yes i get blown out if i neg 7-8:s with "youve got something on you nose", or "your hands are sweaty, or even "hands of, costs you 50 bucks each time you touch." if i do them after A1. Because girls tend to touch right of the bat for some reason (maybe because im not leaning in, and the club is loud).

Im pretty new at doing MM wich is my choise of learning game, so ive removed some negs. I know they are for 9:s and 10:s, but i havent met 9:s and 10:s yet infield. Mostly 7-8,5. Ive only been practicing hardcore 4 nights over 2 weeks as of this weekend. I plan to do 3 nights a week now.

So i dont have to NEG in A2? Because ive noticed if i dont neg, they get bored, if i do neg, they blow me out. Its like WTF??

Is it better replacing negs with self-disqualifiers instead, like "im not BF material"?
no, stop with this voodoo wizard shit, go to the pua lounge, look up chiefs guide to outer game, what you are going to want to take note of is the compliance ladder, stop with this stupid neg dhv shit,

open, hook, break rapport, move on, open new sets, then after some time re-open friendly sets, and practise escalating until blow out, be friendly, don't say rude shit, be normal, talk about boring mundane shit, make assumptions about them, tell them cool stories, make them laugh, have fun, don't be a retard with scripted insults that are not useful until you understand when and how to use them, make sure you leave while the group is hooked, so they want more, don't leave after they ignore you/check their phones

open with

hey, your really cute, I had to come meet you, im (your name) whats yours?
if she doesn't give you her name, move on
if she does, you can transition with, having fun?, or so how do you all know each other?, if they hook to the transition, LEAVE THE SET, AND MOVE ON, pleasure meeting you girls, have a great night, see you later, continue doing this until the whole club is opened, then go re-open the friendliest sets and practise gaining compliance momentum (escalating, is just testing how much a girl is compliant to you, high compliance = sex)

leaving the set after hook right away, will demonstrate you are not a needy little stalker, girls like talking to guys that are not needy little stalkers, go field test it

also to answer your question about false dis-qualifiers, no it is better to start declaring interest, so girls that are not interested blow you out,

all indirect is game is, is showing interest after the girl shows it first,
it is not some magical voodoo power that makes all girls fall in love with you,
girls will judge your value in relation to theirs and know right away, if they would sleep with you or not, if they talk to you, you have enough passive value, if they don't you need more value, and at that point you need to demonstrate and offer more value to gain more compliance (investment), with enough compliance you can build sexual tension without resistance, sexual tension is the main goal to have sex, you want her to be doing the talking, and have all the pressure on her, make her horny,

if a girl is reciprocating touch, she is attracted to you, it is like a physical dialogue between the two of you, you touch her shoulder or are really attractive to her, she touches you (big ioi), so that is like your unspoken que to go ahead, and push the physical further, you put your arm around her, she leans into it, you push it further, she pulls away, you don't have a reaction you, just change the subject pretend it never happened, and go back to touching her shoulder, for a while until you think she is comfortable, then try again, just don't be needy, you are not trying to get anything from her, you are just testing the waters, and trying to make her feel good

now here is a breif overview of your value

passive value: Looks, Physical Fitness, Style(you will get AI if you are dressed as a girls sexual steriotype, just like we like nurses/school girls some girls like buisness suites, and rock stars), Monitary assumption(nice watches etc.), Body Language

all of these things are what the girl will see first and make a quick value calculation on you, and decide if you pass the fuckable line or not, if so she will either speak to you or not

social value not going to explain this, im sure you read the MM, and have somewhat of a concept (this is what the verbal aspect of game is all about, social dominance)

emotional value good emotions you can offer

now, lets go over this again, you PROVIDE the value, the girl gives COMPLIANCE for the value, compliance builds momentum and eventualy things escalate to sex,

if you have shitty passive value, might as well go direct, and weed out all the wastes of time, not all the dhv's in a the world will make SNL a girl who doesn't want to fuck you due to physical reasons / change her mind in a bar, maybe in a social circle she would want to date you, if you had some real value to offer, but a timid approach and a couple insults and stories about the time you looked out for your buddy, and then fucked 10 strippers, will get you no where, simply demonstrating social intelligence will get you much further,

Author:  JamesBond007 [ Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:39 am ]
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Thanks guys! I thought the opener should run fast to seem casual. The "pausing" is new, hmm i will fieldtest that.

FTC=False time constraint. 8)

About the neg, yes i get blown out if i neg 7-8:s with "youve got something on you nose", or "your hands are sweaty, or even "hands of, costs you 50 bucks each time you touch." if i do them after A1. Because girls tend to touch right of the bat for some reason (maybe because im not leaning in, and the club is loud).

Im pretty new at doing MM wich is my choise of learning game, so ive removed some negs. I know they are for 9:s and 10:s, but i havent met 9:s and 10:s yet infield. Mostly 7-8,5. Ive only been practicing hardcore 4 nights over 2 weeks as of this weekend. I plan to do 3 nights a week now.

So i dont have to NEG in A2? Because ive noticed if i dont neg, they get bored, if i do neg, they blow me out. Its like WTF??

Is it better replacing negs with self-disqualifiers instead, like "im not BF material"?
no, stop with this voodoo wizard shit, go to the pua lounge, look up chiefs guide to outer game, what you are going to want to take note of is the compliance ladder, stop with this stupid neg dhv shit,

open, hook, break rapport, move on, open new sets, then after some time re-open friendly sets, and practise escalating until blow out, be friendly, don't say rude shit, be normal, talk about boring mundane shit, make assumptions about them, tell them cool stories, make them laugh, have fun, don't be a retard with scripted insults that are not useful until you understand when and how to use them, make sure you leave while the group is hooked, so they want more, don't leave after they ignore you/check their phones

open with

hey, your really cute, I had to come meet you, im (your name) whats yours?
if she doesn't give you her name, move on
if she does, you can transition with, having fun?, or so how do you all know each other?, if they hook to the transition, LEAVE THE SET, AND MOVE ON, pleasure meeting you girls, have a great night, see you later, continue doing this until the whole club is opened, then go re-open the friendliest sets and practise gaining compliance momentum (escalating, is just testing how much a girl is compliant to you, high compliance = sex)

leaving the set after hook right away, will demonstrate you are not a needy little stalker, girls like talking to guys that are not needy little stalkers, go field test it

also to answer your question about false dis-qualifiers, no it is better to replace the neg with not being an idirect pussie and stating interest/intent
I appreciate your tips but i wont do what does not get me laid, what you preach is "showing interest to early", and im not going to be that direct ever again for some time to come . I did RSD stuff 2 years, and i got zero results. "Hey man just be yourself,go in, your games a 10 bro".

Direct game sucks, and i wont do that again "hi, i saw you, i think your cute...soo, what are you doing tomorrow". The number always flaked.

Ive got to get the basics down (open correctly) and the field helps me tremendeously. Without the voodoo wizard shit structure (A1, A2, A3) the sets get really bored and it kills attraction when i go blank. What ive found is a routine structure helps me ton, and natural stuff has not...at all! I used to be a MM hater for 2 years, turned out RSD made me to lazy. As Mystery says, fuck confidence, its competence that will get you laid. Confidence comes as a biproduct when you get results. Period, i cant get shit going on without preparing at least 30 minutes before i go out.

Your tips are to advanced for me at this starter point.

Author:  pumpington [ Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:57 am ]
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Thanks guys! I thought the opener should run fast to seem casual. The "pausing" is new, hmm i will fieldtest that.

FTC=False time constraint. 8)

About the neg, yes i get blown out if i neg 7-8:s with "youve got something on you nose", or "your hands are sweaty, or even "hands of, costs you 50 bucks each time you touch." if i do them after A1. Because girls tend to touch right of the bat for some reason (maybe because im not leaning in, and the club is loud).

Im pretty new at doing MM wich is my choise of learning game, so ive removed some negs. I know they are for 9:s and 10:s, but i havent met 9:s and 10:s yet infield. Mostly 7-8,5. Ive only been practicing hardcore 4 nights over 2 weeks as of this weekend. I plan to do 3 nights a week now.

So i dont have to NEG in A2? Because ive noticed if i dont neg, they get bored, if i do neg, they blow me out. Its like WTF??

Is it better replacing negs with self-disqualifiers instead, like "im not BF material"?
no, stop with this voodoo wizard shit, go to the pua lounge, look up chiefs guide to outer game, what you are going to want to take note of is the compliance ladder, stop with this stupid neg dhv shit,

open, hook, break rapport, move on, open new sets, then after some time re-open friendly sets, and practise escalating until blow out, be friendly, don't say rude shit, be normal, talk about boring mundane shit, make assumptions about them, tell them cool stories, make them laugh, have fun, don't be a retard with scripted insults that are not useful until you understand when and how to use them, make sure you leave while the group is hooked, so they want more, don't leave after they ignore you/check their phones

open with

hey, your really cute, I had to come meet you, im (your name) whats yours?
if she doesn't give you her name, move on
if she does, you can transition with, having fun?, or so how do you all know each other?, if they hook to the transition, LEAVE THE SET, AND MOVE ON, pleasure meeting you girls, have a great night, see you later, continue doing this until the whole club is opened, then go re-open the friendliest sets and practise gaining compliance momentum (escalating, is just testing how much a girl is compliant to you, high compliance = sex)

leaving the set after hook right away, will demonstrate you are not a needy little stalker, girls like talking to guys that are not needy little stalkers, go field test it

also to answer your question about false dis-qualifiers, no it is better to replace the neg with not being an idirect pussie and stating interest/intent
I appreciate your tips but i wont do what does not get me laid, what you preach is "showing interest to early", and im not going to be that direct ever again for some time to come . I did RSD stuff 2 years, and i got zero results. "Hey man just be yourself,go in, your games a 10 bro".

Direct game sucks, and i wont do that again "hi, i saw you, i think your cute...soo, what are you doing tomorrow". The number always flaked.

Ive got to get the basics down (open correctly) and the field helps me tremendeously. Without the voodoo wizard shit structure (A1, A2, A3) the sets get really bored and it kills attraction when i go blank. What ive found is a routine structure helps me ton, and natural stuff has not...at all! I used to be a MM hater for 2 years, turned out RSD made me to lazy. As Mystery says, fuck confidence, its competence that will get you laid. Confidence comes as a biproduct when you get results. Period, i cant get shit going on without preparing at least 30 minutes before i go out.

Your tips are to advanced for me at this starter point.
I edited my above post to include more information so maybe you get a better grasp, if you can't even hook, then you need more confidence,

FOR THE LOVE OF FUCKING GOD, TRY JUST 1 TIME, FIELD TEST THIS SHIT,

SAY HI, HOW ARE YOU, IM (INSERT NAME),

YOU GUYS HAVING FUN TONIGHT?

IF THEY ANSWER COOL, IF NOT, COOL,

SAY PLEASURE MEETING YOU, THEN MOVE ON, TO THE NEXT SET,

RE-APPROACH FRIENDLY SETS, GO FIELD TEST, FIELD TEST VS MENTAL MASTURBATION

FIELD TEST WINS, AND 2 YEARS AND YOU CANT HOOK A SET???

*FACE PALM*

Author:  khuram [ Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:45 pm ]
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anything that i can help with?

Author:  whitelatino [ Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:24 pm ]
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Mystery method has been proven so well that they made a tv show based on it. A best new your times seller by styles using mystery method. mystery really got pua going. Its a perfect platform for a newbie. once you get going good you dont even use pua anymore it just comes natural but it takes a while.

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