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Author:  natedizzle [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 6:23 pm ]
Post subject:  The Mall???
I feel like everyone uses this material for clubbing, parties, and social circle status. I want to use it for stopping a walking girl (or girls) and Starting a conversation with them and getting their number. Most people say just walk up to her and say hi and introduce yourself. I would tottally agree with that if it were a party or something but in reality it comes off real creepy when it's just some completely random guy on the street or at the mall. What I'm asking is can I use an opinion opener or something that will get the girl talking that will work with me stopping them while they are walking or going up to them while they are shopping at a girl store? Thanks, and advice will be much appreciated.
Author:  Chai [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 7:24 pm ]
Post subject: 
What material exactly are you talking about,
be specific, mystery method, mehow method,
style's method...what?

This part is right.
Quote:
Most people say just walk up to her and say hi and introduce yourself.
Alot of people, including myself, walk up to a girl and just
for a brief amount of time have a 10 second interaction with them. This
just gets me warmed up and it doesn't even have to escalate into
number closing her. There is nothing wrong with another guy
going up to a girl in the street or mall and talking to her,
as long as you don't come off as a creep or weirdo
then you'll be fine, trust me I've done it...and I
appear to be in good spirits ;)


This part is wrong.
Quote:
in reality it comes off real creepy when it's just some completely random guy on the street or at the mall.
Who
said it comes off as creepy? Sure you're a random guy but
who says you're a creep? If you don't talk to strangers
you'll never make any friends. If you haven't
walked up to a girl in the mall or on
the street go out and give it a
try, open up with some kino
and be cool and collect
with yourself and how
you interact with her.
She won't bite your
head off or tell you
to fuck off...

An opinion opener is used alot
these days, you need a
sincere opinion which
you would like to get
the opinion of. Don't
use opinion openers
like "Would you date a guy named
Herman?" or "What do you think of these
shoes?" Those 2 are passed around alot and
I'll bet if a chick got asked the same opinion as the
guy from last night or sometime eariler, she would be
like "What the fuck? That guy just asked me the same question?"
Make an original opener to get the girl interested and invest in
the time talking to you.

I made an information opener that is aimed
mainly at girls with really good hair. It goes like this.
I walk past a girl with really nice hair, quickly run
up to her, open with kino gesture and say "Hi,
sorry to bother you, I just want to ask you
something real quick, my one chick in
my group has always battled with
her hair and she can never
seem to get it right. She's
tried all sorts of products
and she's tried
straightening
her hair
multiple times but in the end her
hair looks like a kinky afro! Now,
you're hair looks just perfect and
I can tell that she wants to get the
exact same style as you. How do you
do it? What is your secret :D ?"

You can shorten it but its legit.
She even went on to tell me about
ALL the products she uses, how many times
a week, what to and not use when...all sorts
shit that I wouldn't even do to my hair but thats
not the point! She was interested and she found a dude
who likes her hair! It incorporates a little story
telling, and plus you get
to have genuine a
conversation
about how great her hair looks.
I did it the first time on impulse
and the chick responded really
well. Remember, you're
opener must
come from a
sincere and
genuine place,
it doesn't always have to,
but it just might make the girl
a little more inclined to chat to a guy
who is really interested in what their conveying
off to her with whom she just met off the street or in the mall.
Author:  natedizzle [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 7:33 pm ]
Post subject: 
Thanks for taking the time to answer, I appreciate it. I have one question though and it's related to what you said about making sure your opener is genuine, and to be honest the only thing I'm really interested in the girl would be how many times she gets hit on a day other than that I can only think of dude stuff like UFC fights and topics I'm not sure girls would be interested in. So how do you find something your genuinely interested in about a girl, and how do you transition it into an opener?? thanks.
Author:  Chai [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:30 pm ]
Post subject: 
No prob man.

It's like this, you find a commonality in relation
to UFC right. UFC revolves around things like
athleticism, discipline, martial arts and
fighting. Now in order to brake down
something which you enjoy you
take out an aspect of which
a girl would find
interesting or
can atleast
relate to
yeah?

So if you take away discipline, martial arts
an fighting you're left with the Atheltics
side in the sport. Girls who know how
to take care themselves physically
will have a really nice body and
they will look like...an athlete :)
There you go and thats how
you break it down.

In order to create something like this into
an observational opener you cant just go up to any
chick and run it, it needs to applied
to the right type of girl. Let's
create the opener. The girl
you just walked past is
slim, has a great
body, her skin
looks great...
anything relating back to her
body being in good shape will do.
The opener can go something like "Hey,
sorry to bother you I just want to ask you
something real quick. My friend has been trying
to get in shape for a while now and she just keeps
failing dismally. I mean like she has tried dumb gimmicks
from tv, she's gone on all sorts of crazy diets and no matter
how hard she tries she just can't seem to lose the weight
she wants and get in the desired shape. You on the
other hand have an amazing figure and I noticed
it in the way you walked by...How do you
stay in shape? What is your secret :) ?"

You see? It's nearly the same as the hair
opener but just apply a different notion
to it, mix up the story and the
justification for it an there is
your opener you're looking
for regarding how to
break down
the aspects
of UFC and how to turn it's
qualities into a nice conversation.

If you're looking to find something genuine about
the girl, you must ask yourself "what makes
me attracted to this girl?" Is it in the way
her eyes look, is it in the way she smells,
moves...it's something you need to
discover for yourself inside
yourself. What makes
you attracted to
you're ideal
girl essentially? Once you find the qualities
you've found you can then use those
as the building blocks to build that
solid foundation in your
opener. We can even
try it, once again,
what is you're
ideal girl? Go into vague
details if you want, the little things that matter in your own eyes...
all those things can contribute
into how you create a
genuine opener and how you can
successfully transition it into
an opener.
Author:  natedizzle [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:57 pm ]
Post subject: 
Awesome advice, you continue to blow my mind! I'm definetely going to try to use this advice for todays sarge. If you have the chance though I still have just one more question bundled up inside. I'm still a beginner and just starting out so I have been asking girls directions to a place in order to get rid of AA. It boosts my state but I can still say that I'm extremely nervous when I try to start a conversation with a random girl just because of lack of experience with interacting with them, and the fact that I've never really put myself out there and tryed it yet. So my question is What motivated you to start approaching girls, What did you start off saying to get over AA, and how long did it take you to get good at talking to girls, and how long would you say it will take to get a social circle? Once again I really do appreciate you taking the time to answer these questions.
Author:  Gizmo1000 [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:22 pm ]
Post subject: 
Chai- not only did you cover what I was going to say you even taught me something! Lol!
Author:  Chai [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:16 pm ]
Post subject: 
Thanks man I'm glad you like the advice ;)
Quote:
What motivated you to start approaching girls
To be honest man, it all just boils down to what you're
missing in your life and how you're going to change
yourself and make yourself a better person in
order to achieve that. I was a very shy and
insecure kid and I never had a lot of
friends, I actually rarely played with
the other kids on the playground
cause I was always judging
myself and thinking of
what others thought
of me and that
always held
me back. Don't get me wrong
I had an awesome childhood growing up (one of the
best cause I'm from the 90's) but it's only half as nice
if you had others to share it with. But I digress.
Throughout my high school years I never had
a girlfriend, I've never been kissed, i'm
still a virgin...all those things are
because of my own insecurities
and what others thought
of me and ultimately
how I thought about
myself.

One day
you just wake
up in the morning and think to yourself silently,
staring at your roof from your bed wondering why
you're still in the same position you've been for all
these years...alone. It all just clicks man.
One day you wake up and realize you've wasted all those
years of what could have been but you will never get them
back because the only person holding me back was myself,
and once you realize that minute thought only then can
you begin to heal and start over.

I guess what motivated me and what still motivates me
to still talk to girls today is that, I want a girl more than
anything in this world, on this planet, in this fucking life.
It's such a strong feeling inside me that it's the only
motivation I need, to finally get to that point where
I will finally touch a girls lips for the first time,
have her body pressed up against mine...feel
all those things we're supposed to feel when
just break past our own barriers and not
care about what anyone thinks, you
only care about what you think and what you want
cause at the end of the day
the only person you're
improving and doing
this for is yourself.
What motivates
me most of all that
no matter how much shit
I have to learn, no matter how many
people I have to approach, no matter how
fucking long it takes... I was atleast someone
that got off their ass and tried, and thats all that
counts.
Quote:
What did you start off saying to get over AA
The best and simplest line you can ever use
to get over your AA is this, "Excuse me, do you know where the
nearest coffee shop is?" Thats it. It doesn't require alot of
effort and yet it's so effective. The opener in itself
doesn't necessarily breed alot to creativity or
spontaneous conversation but because it is
so simple and legit in itself, thats all you
need. All this opener does is get you
used to talking to girls, after you
feel yourself becoming more
confident you can switch
up your approaches
and the way you
later interact with
girls because
all this
line is giving you
is that confidence you lack. Approach Anxiety in itself is just
one desire conflicting with the other to quote from Ross Jefferies.
That's all it is. In the moment
when you see the girl and
you think about what to
say and what you think her
reaction will be, you're already starting lose. The
trick to overcoming this is to not think at all.
Don't even think about what you're going
to say, just walk in her direction and
open, you're brain will automatically
deliver all the information you
have in less than
a microsecond
and that is
when you begin you're opener. In under
10 seconds its all over. You approach,
open and eject. Afterwards it then
hits you "That's it? Is that
all my AA was holding
me back from?" Once
you get that little
spark of confidence
you need it will (by nature) snowball
and you will subconsciously always have
that memory of that approach and what you
gained from it and how you can use that same
energy in your next approach, and the next and
the next...After my first day on approaching
I got 2 tattoo's that I designed myself and
put on my arm and hand.
The one on my hand means
"Persevere. Push through" (My
picture on the left under my name is the tattoo I
designed) The other one on my arm means
"Don't think, just approach" (i'll upload it tomorrow
so you can see what I'm talking about) Having these
tattoo's on my arm doesnt only symbolize what
they mean, they symbolize that I am going in the direction
I am going and everytime I look at them they remind me of that.

Quote:
how long did it take you to get good at talking to girls, and how long would you say it will take to get a social circle?
I am still learning so I don't have an answer for you on
how long it takes. It's a process through your
own personal journey and you decide how long
it will take you to where you want to be
and how much you're willing to give
in order for something to
come out of it. Some people adapt
and learn quickly, some take longer but pull
through in the end, I can't say how long
it will take cause I'm not even at that
stage yet. What I do know is, that
if you're willing to change only
for the better and just push
through your own barriers
and begin to take control
of your own life...it
wont take long
at all.


;)
Author:  natedizzle [ Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:35 am ]
Post subject: 
Thanks for the advice man!
Author:  dorf [ Sat Oct 08, 2011 4:41 am ]
Post subject: 
Some great advice in this thread!
Author:  Chai [ Sat Oct 08, 2011 7:13 am ]
Post subject: 
Great guys i'm glad to see you're all taking to
the advice ;)
Quote:
Chai- not only did you cover what I was going to say you even taught me something! Lol
Gizmo that's a first maybe I
should try covering an entire topic in one reply
every time haha
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