PUA Forum :: Its got the best of me

As long as this is your mindset, you are fucked. There will always be some bullshit to get in your way.

You need to adopt an empowering belief around your looks. Why it's an asset.

Here is how you do it

#1 give me ten reasons why the stuff you wrote is total bullshit.
#2 give me an inverse and empowering belief for all the stuff you wrote
#3 give me ten reasons why your empowering belief in #2 are absolutely true

I will help you if you do this.

Your approach is futile so long as it neglects addressing the underlying core belief. The 3 steps you've provided only get at the thoughts, which aren't deep enough in themselves to make any schema change, and therefore any gains would only be short term as the negative reasons are far more powerful than the positive and will simply return.

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Nice try dude, but you are incorrect.

The first step in change is to reorient your thinking. This is a good tool for doing it.

More comes later. Hence my request for his engagement.

Where is your productive advice?

Aren't 10 reasons a bit much? I would lower it down to maybe
3 - 5 reasons dude, after the 6th I reckon a person is
just looking for more insecurities about himself in
order to answer the question...

Don't get too bogged down in theory. It will kill you.

Yes but all I'm saying is that it doesn't do a person
anyone any justice listing 10 things they don't like
about themselves for example, this then gives
them the falsification to find problems within
themselves. Like, say I asked a girl
"name 10 things you don't like
about yourself..." If she said
she doesn't like her hair,
her teeth and weight as
the first 3 main things...she would then supposedly
use the next 7 things she doesn't like about herself
which doesn't really affect her as much but she's still
self conscious about it but if she lists them she'll
then give herself more excuses not to like
the other 7 examples because a person
told her to list an extra un-necassary
arbitrary incoherent things which
will then lower her own self
worth...

I still think 3 is most acceptable
digit in any form. 3 wishes from
a genie, 3 lives in a video game,
3 days and 3 nights...its not
too much and not little.

Jpmorgan is just trying to sell his brand of quackery on here, which hasn't a shred of credibility - I'm sorry but saying something works because you say it does is not sufficient.

Author:	NKiesel [ Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:20 am ]
Post subject:	Its got the best of me
Hey guys so I recently started to get back into the dating game aftyer a long h.s relationship and the problem I face the most or atleast think about is the fact the I'm 5'6 and skinny with a baby face and small build so when I go up to a. Woman my age 22 it looks like a highschool freshman to a college girl and I get shutout a lot for lookin like a baby any advice

Author:	NJ [ Thu Oct 06, 2011 2:15 pm ]
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You need to get rid of those self limiting beliefs! try opening indirectly, false disqualify straight away. tell her she's too young for you, when she tells you her age say you thought she was about 18! make sure that you do a lot of dhv'ing before you get to the hooking point. If that fails go for younger women!

Author:	Chai [ Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:30 pm ]
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Yeah man I agree. Stop disqualifying yourself and just get out there. Hell, I'm 21, have acne problems by my nose and neck, I'm not a particularly built dude or skinny but wish I was cause i'm out of shape, i'm not even that tall either, I'm also not the prettiest looking guy on the planet yet I still go out and approach whenever I get half the chance and apply the shit I've learnt and I still get good reactions after opening and i'm already seeing results just by pushing myself. You're outward appearance doesn't matter, aslong as you're confident in your delivery and in yourself you can do it and the is the god honest truth.

Author:	jpmorganjr [ Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:05 pm ]
Post subject:	You will die before me.
As long as this is your mindset, you are fucked. There will always be some bullshit to get in your way. You need to adopt an empowering belief around your looks. Why it's an asset. Here is how you do it #1 give me ten reasons why the stuff you wrote is total bullshit. #2 give me an inverse and empowering belief for all the stuff you wrote #3 give me ten reasons why your empowering belief in #2 are absolutely true I will help you if you do this.

Author:	papichulo818 [ Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:55 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: You will die before me.
Quote: As long as this is your mindset, you are fucked. There will always be some bullshit to get in your way. You need to adopt an empowering belief around your looks. Why it's an asset. Here is how you do it #1 give me ten reasons why the stuff you wrote is total bullshit. #2 give me an inverse and empowering belief for all the stuff you wrote #3 give me ten reasons why your empowering belief in #2 are absolutely true I will help you if you do this. Your approach is futile so long as it neglects addressing the underlying core belief. The 3 steps you've provided only get at the thoughts, which aren't deep enough in themselves to make any schema change, and therefore any gains would only be short term as the negative reasons are far more powerful than the positive and will simply return.

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Author:	jpmorganjr [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 7:27 am ]
Post subject:	Re: You will die before me.
Quote: Your approach is futile so long as it neglects addressing the underlying core belief. The 3 steps you've provided only get at the thoughts, which aren't deep enough in themselves to make any schema change, and therefore any gains would only be short term as the negative reasons are far more powerful than the positive and will simply return. Nice try dude, but you are incorrect. The first step in change is to reorient your thinking. This is a good tool for doing it. More comes later. Hence my request for his engagement. Where is your productive advice?

Author:	Chai [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:41 pm ]
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Aren't 10 reasons a bit much? I would lower it down to maybe 3 - 5 reasons dude, after the 6th I reckon a person is just looking for more insecurities about himself in order to answer the question...

Author:	papichulo818 [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 3:36 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: You will die before me.
Quote: Quote: Your approach is futile so long as it neglects addressing the underlying core belief. The 3 steps you've provided only get at the thoughts, which aren't deep enough in themselves to make any schema change, and therefore any gains would only be short term as the negative reasons are far more powerful than the positive and will simply return. Nice try dude, but you are incorrect. The first step in change is to reorient your thinking. This is a good tool for doing it. More comes later. Hence my request for his engagement. Where is your productive advice? lol actually what i'm telling you is the model behind cogitnive behavioral therapy (I am a therapist). What you're talking about has absolutely no empirical backing and is merely anecdotal - perhaps it works for you but there's no hard evidence that it is effective in any way.

Author:	papichulo818 [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 3:38 pm ]
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Quote: Aren't 10 reasons a bit much? I would lower it down to maybe 3 - 5 reasons dude, after the 6th I reckon a person is just looking for more insecurities about himself in order to answer the question... 10 is an arbitrary number the point is it doesn't matter how many things you've listed, if the core belief isn't being addressed this guy's 'method' is akin to building a house on sand.

Author:	Chai [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 5:36 pm ]
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Yes but all I'm saying is that it doesn't do a person anyone any justice listing 10 things they don't like about themselves for example, this then gives them the falsification to find problems within themselves. Like, say I asked a girl "name 10 things you don't like about yourself..." If she said she doesn't like her hair, her teeth and weight as the first 3 main things...she would then supposedly use the next 7 things she doesn't like about herself which doesn't really affect her as much but she's still self conscious about it but if she lists them she'll then give herself more excuses not to like the other 7 examples because a person told her to list an extra un-necassary arbitrary incoherent things which will then lower her own self worth... I still think 3 is most acceptable digit in any form. 3 wishes from a genie, 3 lives in a video game, 3 days and 3 nights...its not too much and not little.

Author:	jpmorganjr [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:27 pm ]
Post subject:	Misunderstood
It doesn't matter whether you are a therapist or an astronaut, if you are making unconstructive statements, they are still unconstructive. 10 reasons why the negative belief is bullshit. Not 10 reasons not to like yourself. The fact that it's 10 makes it difficult and forces one to dig deep about why their belief is limiting. I've had many clients develop new mindsets using this as the beginning of change. Don't get too bogged down in theory. It will kill you. Explore and discover.

Author:	Chai [ Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:53 pm ]
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Quote: Don't get too bogged down in theory. It will kill you. True. For the benefit of the doubt I'll actually give what you say a try and see how it turns out...

Author:	papichulo818 [ Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:11 pm ]
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Quote: Yes but all I'm saying is that it doesn't do a person anyone any justice listing 10 things they don't like about themselves for example, this then gives them the falsification to find problems within themselves. Like, say I asked a girl "name 10 things you don't like about yourself..." If she said she doesn't like her hair, her teeth and weight as the first 3 main things...she would then supposedly use the next 7 things she doesn't like about herself which doesn't really affect her as much but she's still self conscious about it but if she lists them she'll then give herself more excuses not to like the other 7 examples because a person told her to list an extra un-necassary arbitrary incoherent things which will then lower her own self worth... I still think 3 is most acceptable digit in any form. 3 wishes from a genie, 3 lives in a video game, 3 days and 3 nights...its not too much and not little. I wholeheartedly agree, women will want to be around you if they associate positive feelings to the interaction. If you're pointing out their flaws, or having them go through a laundry list of negative thoughts it'll evoke a negative affect which is counterproductive. Jpmorgan is just trying to sell his brand of quackery on here, which hasn't a shred of credibility - I'm sorry but saying something works because you say it does is not sufficient.

Author:	Chai [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:32 am ]
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Yeah but man he says this it has helped his clients so you have to kind of take his word for it. Ok, I still don't agree with some ideology in his shit but this forum is based on taking peoples words for what they say and you have a choice to either believe or not believe that person. I'm not saying this guy has to make a video of him actually doing the stuff to his clients to show us that it works but you must take into consent that this is a forum and the majority of people on here post their wisdom on how to do shit relating to their own personal inquisitions and they can either choose to try it out or leave it alone depending on what their personal preferences are. But still, actions do speak louder than words and I would like to see this in action.

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Author:	jpmorganjr [ Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:18 pm ]
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Quote: Jpmorgan is just trying to sell his brand of quackery on here, which hasn't a shred of credibility - I'm sorry but saying something works because you say it does is not sufficient. What is your criteria for credibility?