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Author:  Sodak [ Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Driven here by bad Tinder game...
Hey everyone,

Brand new to the community, decided to check it out after a friend hounded me relentlessly to read The Game. (Which I haven't even finished yet)

Anyway, I'm basically 100% un-schooled in the PUA ways, but I figure this would be a good place to solicit advice. As a disclaimer, I'm using Tinder with a lean towards meeting girls for a LTR (is that right? long-term relationship?), but if a one night thing rolls around then great.

The main problem I've encountered is what to do after opening. I saw some advice that said don't be like every other guy and ask lame questions like "what do you do?" ... Unfortunately, haven't seen a ton of advice about what TO ask that didn't sound equally boring. Here is an example of a current conversation I have going:

Me: "Hey Sarah! Looking to meet a tall, dark, and handsome gentleman that likes wine and has a cute dog?" (both things it says she's looking for on her profile)

HB: Hmmm intriguing

Me: In an ideal world you say yes, and then I apologize for wasting your time, but apparently self deprecating humor isn't my forte...

HB: Hahahaha, well I thought that was funny!

And now... I have no idea what the hell to say next? Any help would be greatly appreciated...

Sodak
Author:  White Panda [ Sun Nov 09, 2014 11:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Driven here by bad Tinder game...
As a general rule on Tinder: don’t start asking questions before she does.

If you do at this point in the conversation, you have low value and you run the risk of her not answering. You need to get her curious about you, enough to get her to ask the question first and implicitly admit that she is slightly interested.

Therefore, rack your brain and come up with an interesting statement that will get her curious. I dont have her profile in from of me, but judging by what you said, she likes wine and dogs. You can say:

“ I just got back from a long trip, wine tasting sounds great” --> here she can ask where you were, or where you intend to go wine tasting.

“You’re too cute, I might just have to give in and get that dog :D” --> compliments and jokes are a good way to get her to open up.

The good thing about statements are that if she forgets to answer, you don’t look like a tool for giving it another go. This girl is giving curt answers, she is probably busy writing to many guys. Get her engaged before having a proper conversations.


If you want to know exactly how to master Tinder, The Game won’t help you. It’s not adapted to dating apps. Feel free to check out my blog, we specialize explicitly in Tinder Game: Tinder Advisor

Cheers!
Author:  Sodak [ Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Driven here by bad Tinder game...
This is great man, thanks. I'm definitely intrigued by all game-related theory, but it's helpful that you can practice on the apps whenever/wherever. I'll check out your blog right now.
Author:  jkballer [ Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Driven here by bad Tinder game...
I've been using tinder since 8/26. So far I have 2 f-closes out of 3 dates. I've gotten 11 girls phone numbers. I usually try to move the conversation off of Tinder asap and start texting. If you've seen the slipknot text advice thread I've kind of adapted that to Tinder and continue through texting. Usually if they have a dog in the picture I'll say "hey cute dog, the girl in the picture is not too bad either". Usually they'll be like thanks and I'll say, so I hope you don't mind corny and inappropriate jokes. Then I always use this one, and I won't lie many times it turns them off, but whatever: "did you know there are 256 bones in the human body?" and girls never want to admit they don't know something so they'll be like "yeah of course I know or whatever" then the punchline "well the real question for you is, would you like to add one??"

Anyways soon after that I try to get her number, then I continue to make sexual jokes and follow the slipknot rules. I've gotten quite a few of them to start sending me half-nude/nude pics, but you have to calibrate which ones are down for that. Either way I don't say anything about myself, my job, hobbies, any of that, and I just try to get them to meet me. It's worked out ok so far but I'm no expert so just my two cents. Hope it helps!
Author:  White Panda [ Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Driven here by bad Tinder game...
Hey jkballer,

Thanks for the added input. The “dog is nice, girl not bad either” line is witty. However, I find that negs dont work well on tinder because they risk being misconstrued. Also, many guys with no game take advantage of tinder to try and be cocky for once in their lives, so girls might think you are one of those guys.

Similarly, the “extra bone joke” will turn off a lot of girls. The ones who accept it are likely to be the less picky ones. They will be easier for sex. If your goal is to filter out the prudes, this might be a good strategy. However, if you want to get the hotter ones, try this:

Be really nice and good tempered, like the perfect guy of her dreams (without being a boring cheesy AFC). This will actually set you appart from all the douchebags on the app and make her much more comfortable with the prospect of meeting you. Save the negs and dirty jokes for when you have her in person and you can add that coy smile.

This is the tactic for getting the higher quality “normal” girls. You might get laid less at first, but after a while, they are just as accessible.
Author:  jkballer [ Wed Nov 12, 2014 7:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Driven here by bad Tinder game...
Hey Panda, thanks for the reply. You make several good points and you are right the joke does turn a lot of them off. I have had moderate success but I do think it could be improved. Would you care to elaborate more on the method of "acting like the guy of her dreams without being AFC". I'd like to try a slightly different method and give a report back on how it works. Thanks again for your input!
Author:  White Panda [ Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Driven here by bad Tinder game...
Quote:
Hey Panda, thanks for the reply. You make several good points and you are right the joke does turn a lot of them off. I have had moderate success but I do think it could be improved. Would you care to elaborate more on the method of "acting like the guy of her dreams without being AFC". I'd like to try a slightly different method and give a report back on how it works. Thanks again for your input!
Hey man,

Glad you want to try out some new stuff. Here is what I recommend:

On Tinder, I call this the "Sweetheart Principle". It basically means that you maximize your chances with the largest number of quality girls by coming off as a super nice person with only the best intentions. I’m talking about Ryan Gosling from "The Notebook". The do-no-harm, love your forever type of guy that any girl would be lucky to find. This way, the Tinder girls will feel comfortable faster and have fewer reserves about meeting you in person.

How to do this in practice:

Come across as very cheery. Use a lot of smileys :D :lol: :) , “lols” and “haha” . Give her the occasional compliment on her photos or interests. Make half-joke fantasies about doing extravagant activities with her like flying to France for some wine tasting. There is a difference between being good-tempered and being AFC. An AFC will be doing all these things + sucking up to try and please her. You need to act like this is really who you are: an amazingly nice person that she would have fun (and safe) time with.

Once she is comfortable and she meets you in person, you can bring out the more thrilling side (teasing, sexual escalation...) . On Tinder, I advocate being the perfect Sweetheart.

For openers and other ideas, feel free to check out my free blog.

Looking forward to your report!
Author:  jkballer [ Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Driven here by bad Tinder game...
Cool man thanks for the ideas. Been working like a dog switch shifts for the past week so I really haven't had much time to devote to messaging and going out, basically been sleeping all week. It's the damn time change, don't know why we do that stupid shit. Anyway I will try this out and let you know how it works out!
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