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Author:  Paramount21 [ Fri Aug 19, 2011 5:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Totem pole of racial attractiveness as put by a PUA, agree?
Roosh V guy put this on his site and I kinda found it interesting, what do you think?

http://www.rooshv.com/totem-pole-of-race-attractiveness
Author:  Paramount21 [ Fri Aug 19, 2011 5:45 pm ]
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did post another topic but the poll was all messed up, mods please delete that one, this one has a far better poll
Author:  PUA Kenny [ Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:56 pm ]
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I just checced out the link.

Roosh has been 1 of my favorite pua's for years now.
Author:  Vietman100 [ Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:57 pm ]
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Thanks for posting this up. Being an American born Vietnamese male, I've taken quite an interest in how my race is percieved when it comes to matters of the opposite sex. I'm not at all surprised to see Asian males at the bottom of the desirability barrel. Are there any other Asian guys on this forum that have an opinion about this? I'm interested to hear your thoughts even if you aren't Asian too.
Author:  Paramount21 [ Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:00 pm ]
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Thanks for posting this up. Being an American born Vietnamese male, I've taken quite an interest in how my race is percieved when it comes to matters of the opposite sex. I'm not at all surprised to see Asian males at the bottom of the desirability barrel. Are there any other Asian guys on this forum that have an opinion about this? I'm interested to hear your thoughts even if you aren't Asian too.
I am an Indian and hoping for the same.
Author:  lolaskate [ Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:24 pm ]
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Thanks for posting this up. Being an American born Vietnamese male, I've taken quite an interest in how my race is percieved when it comes to matters of the opposite sex. I'm not at all surprised to see Asian males at the bottom of the desirability barrel. Are there any other Asian guys on this forum that have an opinion about this? I'm interested to hear your thoughts even if you aren't Asian too.
I reckon race doesn't count for shit, apart from some features (height and facial features)

Asians most of the time have super strict parents.

That limits the whole social thing. Don't know shit about style or hair or anything.

But then there are the Asians that are super white washed (or just stupid) don't give a shit about education, only about socializing. These guys get laid every now and then. But they just don't have jobs or anything, which again limits them.

As for the Asians guys going for Asian girls. I don't see whats wrong with that.

I reckon, put a person of each nationality, all well groomed, all well dressed, all good game, in same room full of chicks I think they'd all be equally ranked, all depends on the girls tastes from there on.
Author:  Talon4life [ Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:41 am ]
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I'm sorry but I would personally place asian women at #1 but that's opinion. Too much asian hobbies I think I was asian in a previous life.
Author:  Don Draper [ Sat Aug 20, 2011 6:10 am ]
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I'm mostly Indian(with somewhat German roots) and I've never had a problem with race being an issue.

Now, that being said I can also assume that it has to be, at some level, related to the fact that I don't fit the Indian stereotype at all. Maybe, that's the thing, if you can break free from the stereotypical perception of your race, you are just not judged by it but by your person.
Author:  Mr_Amazing [ Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:34 am ]
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Strongly disagree. Attractiveness is subjective. Personally, I like dark skin and dark hair so my totem pole would look a little different. It seems to me this guy has a very Eurocentric view of beauty. I find it ironic that Italians, Spaniards and latinos are considered attractive according to him because of their dark features yet Africans are on bottom of the totem pole because of their features. I guess African features are only desireable on non Africans according to him. lol
Author:  Paramount21 [ Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:59 am ]
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he said something about guys on top of the pole vs those on the bottom, those on the bottom will have to work harder but how much harder?
Author:  Cointoss [ Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:56 pm ]
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Edit: Well I wrote a whole post but it appears I misread the article and my point is already in it.

So I agree with the article and the list pretty much completely. LOL.
Author:  Cointoss [ Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:14 pm ]
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Strongly disagree. Attractiveness is subjective. Personally, I like dark skin and dark hair so my totem pole would look a little different. It seems to me this guy has a very Eurocentric view of beauty. I find it ironic that Italians, Spaniards and latinos are considered attractive according to him because of their dark features yet Africans are on bottom of the totem pole because of their features. I guess African features are only desireable on non Africans according to him. lol
Quoi? Dude, African (sub-saharan) features are totally dissimilar from Mediterranean/Latin features. If you can't consistently tell an African person from a Latin one you need new glasses.
Author:  kasabi [ Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:06 pm ]
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C-

The author can't seem to distinguish the difference between people's tendencies to conform/deviate with their cultural norms vs. their true desires. In reality, the mail order bride industry is less useful as a 'yardstick' for attractiveness than the porn industry. Mail ordering brides already carries a stigma in our society but those who use these services still need to integrate with their society. They still need to conform somewhat. Most guys who get porn jack off in the privacy of their homes so whether it's a 100lb Polish blonde or a 500 pound heavy weight, what they choose to view in the privacy of their homes probably says more about what is attractive to them. Take a look at the the porn industry landscape. It seems to me that blondes with Eastern European and West Coast US looks take the number one spots. Following this seems to be "American looking" brunettes followed by Asians.

Secondly, it's obvious that the author has traveled to certain parts of the US and Western and possibly Eastern Europe. Choosing these cultures as a sample to form a 'general consensus' is limiting. For one, lumping China, Korea, and Japan together as one entity is as silly as lumping Ireland, Russia, and Israel as one entity. Completely different heritage, culture, race, and physical attributes (which is what the post was all about in the first place) Although country bumpkin females might NOT not exactly where certain Asian men are from, they will know that they are attracted to some over others. Girls who live in large cities who are more culturally exposed will know both.

It's difficult to say what the 'general' attractiveness totem pole is at the moment because #1, Which culture/race shall we use as the 'viewing' sample? I'm wiling to bet that even within the US, polls taken from NYC, Miami, and Wisconsin will draw vastly different results. #2, I believe the scope of what many cultures view as 'attractive' is rapidly changing. In Financial centers of the World, I know that my Asian friends have always done well. These days, with the culture revolution(music, film, arts) in Korea, I've noticed that Korean men are getting a lot of attention all over Asia and in major cities in other countries as well. Still . . . I can't create a 'totem pole' because I believe the rankings will be vastly differently from city to city, country to country.

Finally, I agree that certain races will be better received in certain areas of the World. However, I disagree with the author's method for assessing these countries. Because he uses a general one size fits all 'totem', he recommends that a pua tries his luck in countries where the local MEN (supposed competition) rank "GENERALLY LOWER" than himself. This is a silly assumption. To ask an Iranian guy to travel to Taiwan to pick up the ladies because he ranks 4 and the local guy ranks 10 is . . . how to put this . . . retarded. Go ahead put a poll out in Taiwan to a decent sample size of ladies and see what you get. Local guys WILL ABSOLUTELY rank higher than Iranians.

Really . . . the most important thing to realize is that:

1. Racial discrepancy exists.

2. PU is female-centric and not male-centric. It's far better to figure out what the GIRL standing in front of you is thinking, where she's from, her culture, her views, as well as her society and culture's views. This is game.

Creating a strategy out of a supposed 'general consensus' for potential competition, gained from the personal view of a back packer who traveled to select European countries is . . . well, this is kinda gay isn't it? Jeeze . . .
Author:  slickezt [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:13 pm ]
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I don't see how African women are at the bottom because of their "features". African women have the best bodies of any race that I have seen. They have way better curves in general, but maybe that is my opinion idk.
Author:  Poueff [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:03 pm ]
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Like some here, I disagree. In my opinion, race has little to do with it, except for maybe getting a bit more attention/stuff to talk about by being an outsider (like a Japanese girl in America or a Swedish guy in India), but that doesn't have to do with race, just with being "new", (and could happen with... say, a Spanish guy in France?) which brings up another whole topic.

Anyway, the race itself may only involve education - like said before, in Japan the schedules and parents are so strict the socialization skills are either null, or they are good/average and the person fails at everything else in there - and some facial features, but that doesn't mean much when faced with good game. I should know, I'm on the top of the totem pole (from Portugal) and I would without any doubt get outgamed by anyone with more experience from Indonesia or Egypt.

Btw, South America should be at the top for men, imo, and I agree with the female one (except maybe rank asian women a little higher)
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