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This is gonna be expanded on yeah ?

1. Find or create an opportunity to get physically close.
2. Get physically close.
3. Find or create an opportunity to establish meaningful kino (holding hands, for example).

Ok, based on what I know about the 60 method and LRs I've read that utilize it, it seems to me that in order to pull this off you need to be AT LEAST as attractive (and my guess is more attractive) than your target.

Correct me if I am wrong but this "less is more" method to seduction seems to be predicated on the fact that I should be literally attracting and seducing a girl based on the eye contact and sexual mood I project onto her. I.e., if I tell her with my eyes and touch that "it's on" then it's going "to be on."

I will be the first to admit that I have not tested this stuff out yet myself. So for that I know I am being a bit preemptive. But my gut tells me that there's no way a guy who is a 6 can pulls this technique off with a girl you is an 8. Instead, he needs to do a lot more talking, and DHV-ing in order to get the girl to get over the inequality in looks.

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1. Find or create an opportunity to get physically close.
2. Get physically close.
3. Find or create an opportunity to establish meaningful kino (holding hands, for example).

I just gotta a question how do you create opportunities like this, where is your door in ?

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1. Find or create an opportunity to
How do I find an opportunity to hold her hand?
I might see that she painted her nails, and I hold her hand while looking at them and commenting on the color. This kind of shit feels normal for me because I think most of my friends are girls.

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What if she pulls her hands away?
I've also tried putting and/or offering my jacket to her when she was cold(I did this without thinking.) I got blown out.

I am not inherently scared of rejection.I am scared that what I did might've screwed it up.(Which might constitute as rejection as well lol.)

Basically,what happens when she resists like takes her hand away or etc.
You keep going or lessen down?

Before you reply to this, I highly recommend you read Part 1 of my guide and to also FIELD TEST shit before posting about it. This is Part 2, meaning that it is assumed that the reader has read and applied Part 1.

First of all, no matter how much of a pretty boy you are, no matter how much you work out, no matter how many male modeling contracts you get, you will never be as pretty, never as attractive, never as beautiful as a woman. Aside from the fact that the rating scale that we use for women is inaccurate, ego-based bullshit, if men had a rating scale it would not resemble the one we use for women at all. You're making a comparison that just doesn't work.

I'm very sorry that you've been tricked by society and by MM into believing that you need to prove yourself to women just because they are hotter than you. I'm very sorry that you feel almost worthless compared to them and that you need to tell DHV stories to compensate for your lack of a resemblance to Johnny Depp. I'm sorry that the Seduction Community failed to popularize more healthy mindsets and methods based more in what brings us all together as human beings, and instead created more of a divide between men and women with methods that view interactions between men and women as inherently adversarial. On behalf of all that shit, I'm very sorry.

Author:	Chief [ Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:26 am ]
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PLEASE DON'T POST IN THIS THREAD IF YOU ARE UNFAMILIAR WITH PART 1 OF MY GUIDE. The following is a simplified, linear model of what I do. It is intended to build on my original Outer Game guide which is based on compliance and arousal. 1. Find or create an opportunity to get physically close. 2. Get physically close. 3. Find or create an opportunity to establish meaningful kino (holding hands, for example). 4. Hold her damn hands. Interlock fingers and play with her fingers and everything. 5. If she hasn't rejected you so far, you can pretty much kiss her whenever you want. 6. Find or create an opportunity to isolate her at a place where you can have sex. 7. Isolate, isolate, isolate... if you have not done so already. 8. Let nature take over. Use a condom. Most of the remotely useful shit we learn in the Seduction Community is about finding or creating opportunities. If you can do that, you've pretty much got it made. Attraction? Honestly, closing the physical distance and establishing meaningful kino can take care of a lot of that for you. Yes, 60YOC taught that, too. Seduction is simple.

Author:	Rox [ Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:29 am ]
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Thank you chief

Author:	lolaskate [ Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:48 am ]
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This is gonna be expanded on yeah ?

Author:	TheNaturalPlayboy [ Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:51 am ]
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Sticky this bro, salute!

Author:	Chief [ Thu Jul 14, 2011 8:38 am ]
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Quote: This is gonna be expanded on yeah ? Why? That's pretty much all there is to it. You could say that the "expanded" details are in Part 1, the sticky.

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Author:	lolaskate [ Thu Jul 14, 2011 8:41 am ]
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OH, okay cool.

Author:	mens rea [ Thu Jul 14, 2011 9:06 am ]
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Ok, based on what I know about the 60 method and LRs I've read that utilize it, it seems to me that in order to pull this off you need to be AT LEAST as attractive (and my guess is more attractive) than your target. Correct me if I am wrong but this "less is more" method to seduction seems to be predicated on the fact that I should be literally attracting and seducing a girl based on the eye contact and sexual mood I project onto her. I.e., if I tell her with my eyes and touch that "it's on" then it's going "to be on." I will be the first to admit that I have not tested this stuff out yet myself. So for that I know I am being a bit preemptive. But my gut tells me that there's no way a guy who is a 6 can pulls this technique off with a girl you is an 8. Instead, he needs to do a lot more talking, and DHV-ing in order to get the girl to get over the inequality in looks.

Author:	Kupid [ Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:52 pm ]
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Quote: 1. Find or create an opportunity to get physically close. 2. Get physically close. 3. Find or create an opportunity to establish meaningful kino (holding hands, for example). I just gotta a question how do you create opportunities like this, where is your door in ?

Author:	zappo [ Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:52 pm ]
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About a year ago Id be looking at this going what ? how ? wait what do i say to make her do that ?! Just god damn do it! This post pretty much sums it up to anyone with average game +

Author:	Chief [ Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:54 am ]
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Quote: Ok, based on what I know about the 60 method and LRs I've read that utilize it, it seems to me that in order to pull this off you need to be AT LEAST as attractive (and my guess is more attractive) than your target. Correct me if I am wrong but this "less is more" method to seduction seems to be predicated on the fact that I should be literally attracting and seducing a girl based on the eye contact and sexual mood I project onto her. I.e., if I tell her with my eyes and touch that "it's on" then it's going "to be on." I will be the first to admit that I have not tested this stuff out yet myself. So for that I know I am being a bit preemptive. But my gut tells me that there's no way a guy who is a 6 can pulls this technique off with a girl you is an 8. Instead, he needs to do a lot more talking, and DHV-ing in order to get the girl to get over the inequality in looks. It's clear to see that you're still haunted by the limiting beliefs reinforced by Mystery Method. First of all, no matter how much of a pretty boy you are, no matter how much you work out, no matter how many male modeling contracts you get, you will never be as pretty, never as attractive, never as beautiful as a woman. Aside from the fact that the rating scale that we use for women is inaccurate, ego-based bullshit, if men had a rating scale it would not resemble the one we use for women at all. You're making a comparison that just doesn't work. I'm very sorry that you've been tricked by society and by MM into believing that you need to prove yourself to women just because they are hotter than you. I'm very sorry that you feel almost worthless compared to them and that you need to tell DHV stories to compensate for your lack of a resemblance to Johnny Depp. I'm sorry that the Seduction Community failed to popularize more healthy mindsets and methods based more in what brings us all together as human beings, and instead created more of a divide between men and women with methods that view interactions between men and women as inherently adversarial. On behalf of all that shit, I'm very sorry. The truth is, though, even an ugly man can sexually arouse a beautiful woman by taking advantage of the fact that all human beings can feel arousal under certain circumstances. I'm sure you've heard complete newbies who have never tried ANYTHING from pickup say "No way, that can't work!" but you know that their perspective is absolutely ridiculous because you yourself have tried these things with great success. Before you reply to this, I highly recommend you read Part 1 of my guide and to also FIELD TEST shit before posting about it. This is Part 2, meaning that it is assumed that the reader has read and applied Part 1.

Author:	Chief [ Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:01 am ]
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Quote: Quote: 1. Find or create an opportunity to get physically close. 2. Get physically close. 3. Find or create an opportunity to establish meaningful kino (holding hands, for example). I just gotta a question how do you create opportunities like this, where is your door in ? How do I find an opportunity to get physically close? I smoothly find an opening to do so, like by using my body language to signal to her that I'm about to whisper a secret into her ear. Then I stay that close. How do I create an opportunity to get physically close? I move closer toward her for no reason at all. How do I find an opportunity to hold her hand? I might see that she painted her nails, and I hold her hand while looking at them and commenting on the color. This kind of shit feels normal for me because I think most of my friends are girls. How do I create an opportunity to hold her hand? I hold her fucking hand. Whether you prefer direct or indirect, following these steps all bring you to the same place.

Author:	Ali5400 [ Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:34 am ]
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Quote: Quote: Quote: 1. Find or create an opportunity to How do I find an opportunity to hold her hand? I might see that she painted her nails, and I hold her hand while looking at them and commenting on the color. This kind of shit feels normal for me because I think most of my friends are girls. . What if she pulls her hands away? I've also tried putting and/or offering my jacket to her when she was cold(I did this without thinking.) I got blown out. I am not inherently scared of rejection.I am scared that what I did might've screwed it up.(Which might constitute as rejection as well lol.) Basically,what happens when she resists like takes her hand away or etc. You keep going or lessen down?

Author:	Chief [ Sat Jul 16, 2011 4:18 am ]
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Quote: What if she pulls her hands away? I've also tried putting and/or offering my jacket to her when she was cold(I did this without thinking.) I got blown out. I am not inherently scared of rejection.I am scared that what I did might've screwed it up.(Which might constitute as rejection as well lol.) Basically,what happens when she resists like takes her hand away or etc. You keep going or lessen down? Like I said to "mens rea," this is Part 2 of my guide and it is intended for those who are familiar with Part 1, the sticky titled "Chief's Guide to Outer Game" here in the PUA Lounge. You will find the answer to your question in the section titled "The Compliance Ladder" in Part 1.

Author:	Rubber_Ducky [ Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:37 pm ]
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Succinct and to the point. Well done sir

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Author:	mens rea [ Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:44 am ]
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Quote: Before you reply to this, I highly recommend you read Part 1 of my guide and to also FIELD TEST shit before posting about it. This is Part 2, meaning that it is assumed that the reader has read and applied Part 1. As an initial matter... First, I'm not sure why you assumed I had not read Part 1; of course I did. Why would anyone read Part II of a message before reading Part I? Shit, nm, there are a lot of ADD mofos out there so anything is possible I suppose. Second, and more importantly, I disagree that someone should always "FIELD TEST shit before posting about it" because what that effectively does is shut out healthy debate and questions one might have behind the theory as to how/why something works before they go out and blindly try something. Honestly, there is nothing wrong with discussing the theory of how and why something works before executing it. Anyway, with all that said, I did go out there and field test what I learned about 60's teachings. And guess what? It worked... in getting chubby girls to try and kiss me, while more attractive girls looked right back at me with this "why are you staring at me with a smile... are you okay?" look on their face. What's important to stress here is that 60's tactics did not necessarily hurt my chances (except arguably twice) with the better looking girls, but instead it honestly got me nowhere positive with them either . (I'll post some FRs on those interactions soon when i have time). However, nevermind all this 60 stuff. Your opinions regarding gender rating scales is surprising to me. For example, you said: Quote: First of all, no matter how much of a pretty boy you are, no matter how much you work out, no matter how many male modeling contracts you get, you will never be as pretty, never as attractive, never as beautiful as a woman. Aside from the fact that the rating scale that we use for women is inaccurate, ego-based bullshit, if men had a rating scale it would not resemble the one we use for women at all. You're making a comparison that just doesn't work. I'm very sorry that you've been tricked by society and by MM into believing that you need to prove yourself to women just because they are hotter than you. I'm very sorry that you feel almost worthless compared to them and that you need to tell DHV stories to compensate for your lack of a resemblance to Johnny Depp. I'm sorry that the Seduction Community failed to popularize more healthy mindsets and methods based more in what brings us all together as human beings, and instead created more of a divide between men and women with methods that view interactions between men and women as inherently adversarial. On behalf of all that shit, I'm very sorry. I'll be frank... this is a pile of dung. The rating scales that people use on a daily basis for men and women have nothing else to do (commonly) except for the LOOKS of an individual. And all a rating scale does is provide a simplified system of representing the looks of an individual associated with the percentile of where they stand. For example, when one says a girl or a guy is a "7" they merely are trying to say that that person is more attractive than say, for example (and this is just an example), 90% of the population.