PUA Forum :: Ejecting from a set when you're locked out

Ta for the thoughts Jav. My usual tactic is just to laugh at them, but I thought someone might have some magic to leave the set unphased. For me, that level of rejection (waving you away) will nearly kill a night.

Ta for the tips fellas. This particular example was me practicing the shock and awe opener. I stalled, it got awkward, her friend waved me away.

I do need to get the hang of not letting rejection affect me and I'll bear in mind all you guys have said next time it happens; smile, shrug and move on.

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Let me ask, how has the shock and awe technique gone for you?

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Let me ask, how has the shock and awe technique gone for you?

Not so great; I keep on coming off AFC and just sounding needy. "You're so hot" etc. Still, getting a little better every time.

do what PUAs do and use it to kill your ego and then perform BETTER

A rejection that harsh is a very good thing.

Why? You can use it to kill your own ego (and comfort zone) and therefore free yourself to do more.

Before you lose face, you have a face to lose, so you restrict yourself from doing things that might make you lose face. If you lose face, you feel like you've got nothing to lose, so you try more shit and thus do better with later sets.

You can do what AFCs do and let rejection like that kill your night, or you can do what PUAs do and use it to kill your ego and then perform BETTER. This is why 60YOC recommends to get rejected as soon as you can during a night of sarging.

One of the first times I really experienced this hardcore was back in New Orleans in 2009 during the in-field portion of my workshop. I started the night out by hitting on this drunk birthday girl and I thought things were going pretty well. Something went sour, though (I don't quite remember what, but I'm pretty sure it involved me breaking rapport too early), and she ended up drunkenly rejecting me pretty hard by physically pushing me away. I was a bit shocked because she was flirting back and everything at first. I was also embarrassed to have been rejected like that right in front of all my workshop students who were in the same bar. What happened next was quite interesting, though. I stopped caring about looking good to others and started caring more about having fun for my own sake, so I actually performed better and ended up hooking up with a blonde little hottie with a boyfriend.

Some other PUA (Hoobie?) once said something about each rejection being another brick in his palace or some other strange metaphor like that. Strange, yes, but it makes sense.

Author:	zebraG [ Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:41 pm ]
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I have a question for you guys. If things have gone horribly wrong in a set and you have to make an exit after getting shot down and locked out (girls turn their back to you and girls that can see you are waving you away), how do you get out of there without looking like a tool?

Author:	Jav [ Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:54 pm ]
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Assuming this is night game. 'ha-ha, look at that guy' It's a fairyland, people forget about you the next day. You're not that important, just a temporary source for value for people that don't have any themselves. This is what all mocking/shit-talk comes down to anyway. Trying to save face in those situations is a useless endeavor. Shrug it off and NEXT

Author:	zebraG [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 4:09 pm ]
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Ta for the thoughts Jav. My usual tactic is just to laugh at them, but I thought someone might have some magic to leave the set unphased. For me, that level of rejection (waving you away) will nearly kill a night.

Author:	Jav [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 4:33 pm ]
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Quote: Ta for the thoughts Jav. My usual tactic is just to laugh at them, but I thought someone might have some magic to leave the set unphased. For me, that level of rejection (waving you away) will nearly kill a night. You really shouldn't be caring as hard blow outs like back turns or the finger only happen when you approach or short thereafter. They don't know you well enough at that time to call it 'personal'. Put the energy in tweaking your approach instead of 'laughing at them'. Pro-activeness instead of reactiveness.

Author:	Chief [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:11 pm ]
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A rejection that harsh is a very good thing. Why? You can use it to kill your own ego (and comfort zone) and therefore free yourself to do more. Before you lose face, you have a face to lose, so you restrict yourself from doing things that might make you lose face. If you lose face, you feel like you've got nothing to lose, so you try more shit and thus do better with later sets. You can do what AFCs do and let rejection like that kill your night, or you can do what PUAs do and use it to kill your ego and then perform BETTER. This is why 60YOC recommends to get rejected as soon as you can during a night of sarging. One of the first times I really experienced this hardcore was back in New Orleans in 2009 during the in-field portion of my workshop. I started the night out by hitting on this drunk birthday girl and I thought things were going pretty well. Something went sour, though (I don't quite remember what, but I'm pretty sure it involved me breaking rapport too early), and she ended up drunkenly rejecting me pretty hard by physically pushing me away. I was a bit shocked because she was flirting back and everything at first. I was also embarrassed to have been rejected like that right in front of all my workshop students who were in the same bar. What happened next was quite interesting, though. I stopped caring about looking good to others and started caring more about having fun for my own sake, so I actually performed better and ended up hooking up with a blonde little hottie with a boyfriend. Some other PUA (Hoobie?) once said something about each rejection being another brick in his palace or some other strange metaphor like that. Strange, yes, but it makes sense.

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Author:	zebraG [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:43 pm ]
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Ta for the tips fellas. This particular example was me practicing the shock and awe opener. I stalled, it got awkward, her friend waved me away. I do need to get the hang of not letting rejection affect me and I'll bear in mind all you guys have said next time it happens; smile, shrug and move on.

Author:	Arrow_Sheen [ Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:09 pm ]
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Quote: Ta for the tips fellas. This particular example was me practicing the shock and awe opener. I stalled, it got awkward, her friend waved me away. I do need to get the hang of not letting rejection affect me and I'll bear in mind all you guys have said next time it happens; smile, shrug and move on. Let me ask, how has the shock and awe technique gone for you?

Author:	zebraG [ Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:56 pm ]
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Quote: Quote: Ta for the tips fellas. This particular example was me practicing the shock and awe opener. I stalled, it got awkward, her friend waved me away. I do need to get the hang of not letting rejection affect me and I'll bear in mind all you guys have said next time it happens; smile, shrug and move on. Let me ask, how has the shock and awe technique gone for you? Not so great; I keep on coming off AFC and just sounding needy. "You're so hot" etc. Still, getting a little better every time.

Author:	Amit [ Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:25 am ]
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Quote: Quote: Quote: Ta for the tips fellas. This particular example was me practicing the shock and awe opener. I stalled, it got awkward, her friend waved me away. I do need to get the hang of not letting rejection affect me and I'll bear in mind all you guys have said next time it happens; smile, shrug and move on. Let me ask, how has the shock and awe technique gone for you? Not so great; I keep on coming off AFC and just sounding needy. "You're so hot" etc. Still, getting a little better every time. take it to the next level: "You're so hot, I think I'm inlove with you WINK " make sure your body is turned a bit away, keep eye contact and smile whilst

Author:	Mr. Stinson [ Sat Jun 25, 2011 5:50 am ]
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chief said it the best, you cant do anything nor should you try to do anything to make yourself look better. one thing i will tell you is that rejection is A LOT worse if you stall before approaching a girl. the longer you THINK about opening someone, the more you invest your feelings and the more you feel the need for a certain outcome. this only makes it harder on yourself.

Author:	baracuda [ Sat Jun 25, 2011 12:07 pm ]
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iv been waved away had dirty looks even blanked i think that one was the worst one. But i know iv read a couple of sex books an im pretty confident i could give them one of the best nights of there life. So in my thinking its just there loss an i truely belive that. Each rejection is just one step closer to finding one who wont reject you.

Author:	madals [ Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:28 pm ]
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Quote: do what PUAs do and use it to kill your ego and then perform BETTER This is a little extreme, you don't need to totally kill your ego. Put simply, in a nightclub you can just walk to the toilets come back out and nobody will even remember you were the guy that got blown out. The attitude I have is that if I get blown out, just go have fun with some other people then approach again later. If people reject you that harshly its usually one of two things: 1) They are stuck up idiots = even if they didn't blow you out, not exactly cool people 2) You said something retarded. In which case, stop saying stupid shit and use some common sense. Shock and awe will get you blown out a lot with the odd success: its a high risk high reward strategy.

Author:	Warped Mindless [ Sun Jun 26, 2011 9:43 pm ]
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Quote: A rejection that harsh is a very good thing. Why? You can use it to kill your own ego (and comfort zone) and therefore free yourself to do more. Before you lose face, you have a face to lose, so you restrict yourself from doing things that might make you lose face. If you lose face, you feel like you've got nothing to lose, so you try more shit and thus do better with later sets. You can do what AFCs do and let rejection like that kill your night, or you can do what PUAs do and use it to kill your ego and then perform BETTER. This is why 60YOC recommends to get rejected as soon as you can during a night of sarging. One of the first times I really experienced this hardcore was back in New Orleans in 2009 during the in-field portion of my workshop. I started the night out by hitting on this drunk birthday girl and I thought things were going pretty well. Something went sour, though (I don't quite remember what, but I'm pretty sure it involved me breaking rapport too early), and she ended up drunkenly rejecting me pretty hard by physically pushing me away. I was a bit shocked because she was flirting back and everything at first. I was also embarrassed to have been rejected like that right in front of all my workshop students who were in the same bar. What happened next was quite interesting, though. I stopped caring about looking good to others and started caring more about having fun for my own sake, so I actually performed better and ended up hooking up with a blonde little hottie with a boyfriend. Some other PUA (Hoobie?) once said something about each rejection being another brick in his palace or some other strange metaphor like that. Strange, yes, but it makes sense. 100% agree. Also, it was Ozzie.

Author:	skills360 [ Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:26 am ]
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Since my strength is club game, i will tell you from the club game perspective, if you are in a club and the girls are super rude and nasty with the hand etc... Remain neutral and keep it moving, but do not try to open or go to girls that are nearby that may have seen the incident, because now you are lower value, so go to another corner or another part of the club where the girls have no idea what happened, or go to a different venue...If girls or group of girls saw the incident you will not be able to open them, even if it was your wing... My freaking wing, does not understand this concept i have been trying to tell him 600 times, makes my game much much harder, specially when couple of your wings are getting blown out and you are with them... urrr! that is why i like hanging out alone..

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Author:	Fvckitimout [ Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:09 am ]
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Quote: A rejection that harsh is a very good thing. Why? You can use it to kill your own ego (and comfort zone) and therefore free yourself to do more. Before you lose face, you have a face to lose, so you restrict yourself from doing things that might make you lose face. If you lose face, you feel like you've got nothing to lose, so you try more shit and thus do better with later sets. Shit this is true. A LOT of my breakthroughs are right after a series of rejections and it starts to get to me. Then i start hesitating and each set starts to get worse, then i realize im thinking too much and voluntarilly supress my thinking right there. I regather myself, go through some key points and start anew and i was able to go farther than i usually would simply because the fear of rejection is gone. Like they say in boxing "I know i will get hit, but i know i can take it and i know i can hit back." Push through the pain man, push through the pain! And you will be rewarded. Im so touched right now. Im not even kidding. Seriously im gonna masturbate after this post.