PUA Forum :: 60 years of challenge daygame

I'm a bit confused.

here we go:

"It is my belief that it's not so much as you need to do or say "special" things to CREATE attraction as much as you just need to NOT do the small things that reduce the sexual tension that is already there. And eventually kill it forever.

- talking
- laughing
- reacting
- fidgeting
- bailing her out
- supplicating facial expressions"

Here is one more thing: No social openers-no nothing. What the hell am I supposed to do in a daygame with this?

One more thing: Poker face. Be emotionless. WTF? Somebody please explain me. I have taken class at my college about interpersonal communication and one of the reasons many girls consider guys rude is because of lack of expressions, nodding etc. everything 60 argues against.

I understand that he's trying to say that we shouldn't become an entertainment monkey, but this is going too far IMHO. What does he want us to be? Exprressionless, speechless robots?

If I understand something incorrectly: please explain me. I'd love to learn more from his staff, because I've heard a lot of good things about him, but this really turned me off.

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60 is for bar/club game where the idea is to build a lot of sexual tension in an already sexually-heightened venue (with loud music where you can't really talk much anyway) and escalate very quickly. It makes almost no sense in a daygame situation where almost any kino past light arm touching would be VERY weird.

60 never said to be a silent, expressionless, emotionless bastard.

thats seductive listening from what i remember, which happens after youve isolated her and shes speaking.

and he has a social phase, its just very short.

Just like blondguy said 60's game is night time oriented and it gets you in hyper fast, because it's based on a principle of weeding all the ''uninterested'' girls out and spend your time only with the ones, that they already have attraction for you.

That then only leaves you to deal with seduction and the base of seduction is touching and kino, that's why 60 is so focused on escalation

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One more thing I don't like about 60s and GWM staff is that they concentrate on girls who're already attracted. What abbout girls who're not? That's why we have to know how to built attraction, in order to be able to come closer to our goal of being able to get ANY chick.+go be sexual in daygame-you'll be seen as weird. Especially in college campus. Then you're kinda f*****

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There is nobody who can get 100% of the girls they talk to. Nobody. Don't believe the bullshit. There will be girls that will never ever be into you, no matter how 'solid' your game is. Even top guys get rejected a lot. I don't think people understand the idea of being sexual properly. Even though I've never really done daygame approaches, I've been on plenty of dates that were in the daytime. Of course you can't be overly sexual in the day like you can at night, but you can still be sexual, and you should always be building sexual tension no matter what time of day it is. You can creat sexual tension from just giving strong eye contact, body language, and building a sexual frame... It doesn't mean you have to be really over the top sexual like a lot of guys teach you to be in night game, you just tone it down a little in the day.

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you can't create attraction. you can build it over an existing attraction.
try to remember a girl that you disliked on the first look and then started to get attracted to her... can you? because I can't...

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Your assuming that attraction for men and women works the same way, it doesn't.

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Your assuming that attraction for men and women works the same way, it doesn't.

While I agree that women's attraction is different to men's, as in not purely based on looks, I also agree with the idea that you can't build it - that women need at least a little initial interest for you to stand a chance of ever having sex with them. Many women say that they decide within the first 10 minutes of meeting you whether they would ever have sex with you or not. Even though there may be a few tactics that will swing things in your favour (maybe she can gain something by fucking you such as popularity or money) it's really hard to build that from 0 interest. It also explains why even the top guys get rejected.

Author:	$uave [ Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:49 am ]
Post subject:	60 years of challenge daygame
I'm a bit confused. here we go: "It is my belief that it's not so much as you need to do or say "special" things to CREATE attraction as much as you just need to NOT do the small things that reduce the sexual tension that is already there. And eventually kill it forever. - talking - laughing - reacting - fidgeting - bailing her out - supplicating facial expressions" Here is one more thing: No social openers-no nothing. What the hell am I supposed to do in a daygame with this? One more thing: Poker face. Be emotionless. WTF? Somebody please explain me. I have taken class at my college about interpersonal communication and one of the reasons many girls consider guys rude is because of lack of expressions, nodding etc. everything 60 argues against. I understand that he's trying to say that we shouldn't become an entertainment monkey, but this is going too far IMHO. What does he want us to be? Exprressionless, speechless robots? If I understand something incorrectly: please explain me. I'd love to learn more from his staff, because I've heard a lot of good things about him, but this really turned me off.

Author:	Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:55 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 60 years of challenge daygame
Quote: I'm a bit confused. here we go: "It is my belief that it's not so much as you need to do or say "special" things to CREATE attraction as much as you just need to NOT do the small things that reduce the sexual tension that is already there. And eventually kill it forever. - talking - laughing - reacting - fidgeting - bailing her out - supplicating facial expressions" Here is one more thing: No social openers-no nothing. What the hell am I supposed to do in a daygame with this? One more thing: Poker face. Be emotionless. WTF? Somebody please explain me. I have taken class at my college about interpersonal communication and one of the reasons many girls consider guys rude is because of lack of expressions, nodding etc. everything 60 argues against. I understand that he's trying to say that we shouldn't become an entertainment monkey, but this is going too far IMHO. What does he want us to be? Exprressionless, speechless robots? If I understand something incorrectly: please explain me. I'd love to learn more from his staff, because I've heard a lot of good things about him, but this really turned me off. 60 is for bar/club game where the idea is to build a lot of sexual tension in an already sexually-heightened venue (with loud music where you can't really talk much anyway) and escalate very quickly. It makes almost no sense in a daygame situation where almost any kino past light arm touching would be VERY weird.

Author:	Warped Mindless [ Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:10 pm ]
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Quote: Quote: I'm a bit confused. here we go: "It is my belief that it's not so much as you need to do or say "special" things to CREATE attraction as much as you just need to NOT do the small things that reduce the sexual tension that is already there. And eventually kill it forever. - talking - laughing - reacting - fidgeting - bailing her out - supplicating facial expressions" Here is one more thing: No social openers-no nothing. What the hell am I supposed to do in a daygame with this? One more thing: Poker face. Be emotionless. WTF? Somebody please explain me. I have taken class at my college about interpersonal communication and one of the reasons many girls consider guys rude is because of lack of expressions, nodding etc. everything 60 argues against. I understand that he's trying to say that we shouldn't become an entertainment monkey, but this is going too far IMHO. What does he want us to be? Exprressionless, speechless robots? If I understand something incorrectly: please explain me. I'd love to learn more from his staff, because I've heard a lot of good things about him, but this really turned me off. 60 is for bar/club game where the idea is to build a lot of sexual tension in an already sexually-heightened venue (with loud music where you can't really talk much anyway) and escalate very quickly. It makes almost no sense in a daygame situation where almost any kino past light arm touching would be VERY weird. I'll agree that 60s stuff is more club oriented but I'm also very physical during the day to. Not as much as I am in the club but much more so than I used to ever think was possible. 60s concept of "escalating the vibe" also works to an extent in the day.

Author:	Mr. Stinson [ Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:35 pm ]
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one thing from 60 that i really liked was the thought that "all interest is sexual" you never talk to a girl just because she looks interesting, you ALWAYS want to fuck them on some underlying level. same goes for girls, if she shows any interest at all, its technically sexual pursue the sex. as far as the poker face thing goes, its true. dont give her a blank stare like your a zombie, just dont react like she didnt finish getting her point across. try it on your friends. ask them about something they enjoy then just dont respond, they WILL keep talking. (there will be a second or two of silence) but you just mind fucked them lol. as far as talking, laughing etc. just keep in mind that your trying to build sexual tension until she wants to fuck you on the spot. you CAN laugh, but make everything sexual. you CAN entertain a little just make your focus on the sexual tension. i explained it to my buddy like this and it seemed to work. (a collection of chief/60 quotes haha. ) -All interest is sexual. ALWAYS. girls dont show interest if you dont turn them on in some way. -"Attraction doesnt get you laid, sexual tension does." -Chief become a master of sexual tension not attraction. -escalation is SEXY, pursing what you want (her) is SEXY. (which is why direct game works) - Theres nothing wrong with letting her know in a masculine way that you want to fuck her. its her fault shes sexy and makes you feel that way. - Rejection/reactions are only real if you acknowledge them. someone calls you a loser, you ignore it like the shit never happened then IT DIDNT. but if they call you a loser, you get emotionally upset by it, then you ARE a loser. you made it real. - If she says no and stays, you got resisted. if she says no and leaves you got rejected. just focus on chiefs line. "Attraction doesnt get you laid, Sexual tension does." always increase sexual tension, dont kill it.

Author:	Diego1234567 [ Wed Feb 09, 2011 11:09 pm ]
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60 never said to be a silent, expressionless, emotionless bastard. thats seductive listening from what i remember, which happens after youve isolated her and shes speaking. and he has a social phase, its just very short.

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Author:	Kupid [ Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:51 am ]
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Just like blondguy said 60's game is night time oriented and it gets you in hyper fast, because it's based on a principle of weeding all the ''uninterested'' girls out and spend your time only with the ones, that they already have attraction for you. That then only leaves you to deal with seduction and the base of seduction is touching and kino, that's why 60 is so focused on escalation

Author:	$uave [ Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:04 am ]
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Quote: 60 never said to be a silent, expressionless, emotionless bastard. thats seductive listening from what i remember, which happens after youve isolated her and shes speaking. and he has a social phase, its just very short. he said that in antimanifesto.

Author:	$uave [ Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:08 am ]
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Quote: Just like blondguy said 60's game is night time oriented and it gets you in hyper fast, because it's based on a principle of weeding all the ''uninterested'' girls out and spend your time only with the ones, that they already have attraction for you. That then only leaves you to deal with seduction and the base of seduction is touching and kino, that's why 60 is so focused on escalation One more thing I don't like about 60s and GWM staff is that they concentrate on girls who're already attracted. What abbout girls who're not? That's why we have to know how to built attraction, in order to be able to come closer to our goal of being able to get ANY chick.+go be sexual in daygame-you'll be seen as weird. Especially in college campus. Then you're kinda f*****

Author:	Diego1234567 [ Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:02 am ]
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i read his anti manifesto and i got nothing like that from it.

Author:	AdamThomas [ Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:24 am ]
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Quote: Quote: Just like blondguy said 60's game is night time oriented and it gets you in hyper fast, because it's based on a principle of weeding all the ''uninterested'' girls out and spend your time only with the ones, that they already have attraction for you. That then only leaves you to deal with seduction and the base of seduction is touching and kino, that's why 60 is so focused on escalation One more thing I don't like about 60s and GWM staff is that they concentrate on girls who're already attracted. What abbout girls who're not? That's why we have to know how to built attraction, in order to be able to come closer to our goal of being able to get ANY chick.+go be sexual in daygame-you'll be seen as weird. Especially in college campus. Then you're kinda f***** There is nobody who can get 100% of the girls they talk to. Nobody. Don't believe the bullshit. There will be girls that will never ever be into you, no matter how 'solid' your game is. Even top guys get rejected a lot. I don't think people understand the idea of being sexual properly. Even though I've never really done daygame approaches, I've been on plenty of dates that were in the daytime. Of course you can't be overly sexual in the day like you can at night, but you can still be sexual, and you should always be building sexual tension no matter what time of day it is. You can creat sexual tension from just giving strong eye contact, body language, and building a sexual frame... It doesn't mean you have to be really over the top sexual like a lot of guys teach you to be in night game, you just tone it down a little in the day.

Author:	$uave [ Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:34 pm ]
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Quote: Quote: Quote: Just like blondguy said 60's game is night time oriented and it gets you in hyper fast, because it's based on a principle of weeding all the ''uninterested'' girls out and spend your time only with the ones, that they already have attraction for you. That then only leaves you to deal with seduction and the base of seduction is touching and kino, that's why 60 is so focused on escalation One more thing I don't like about 60s and GWM staff is that they concentrate on girls who're already attracted. What abbout girls who're not? That's why we have to know how to built attraction, in order to be able to come closer to our goal of being able to get ANY chick.+go be sexual in daygame-you'll be seen as weird. Especially in college campus. Then you're kinda f***** There is nobody who can get 100% of the girls they talk to. Nobody. Don't believe the bullshit. There will be girls that will never ever be into you, no matter how 'solid' your game is. Even top guys get rejected a lot. I don't think people understand the idea of being sexual properly. Even though I've never really done daygame approaches, I've been on plenty of dates that were in the daytime. Of course you can't be overly sexual in the day like you can at night, but you can still be sexual, and you should always be building sexual tension no matter what time of day it is. You can creat sexual tension from just giving strong eye contact, body language, and building a sexual frame... It doesn't mean you have to be really over the top sexual like a lot of guys teach you to be in night game, you just tone it down a little in the day. I know that they don't get every girl. The point is that they ignore the girls who are intially uninterested in you. What if you're not good looking? Then you have to build attraction. There was one indian pua. Not good looking at all. Short. he approached couple of beautiful girls, got the number, and then when they interviewed them they admitted that at first they didn't like him(he's not their type shit) but after talking for a bit, they got attracted to him. P.S. waiting for ioi's is lame. I believe in going there and creating interest. About daygame, eye-contact, body-language is all good, I'm talking about 60's staff. He goes far beyond eye-contact. Also he claims that his staff works in daygame, that's why I got started reading it.

Author:	lalu [ Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:49 pm ]
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Quote: Quote: Just like blondguy said 60's game is night time oriented and it gets you in hyper fast, because it's based on a principle of weeding all the ''uninterested'' girls out and spend your time only with the ones, that they already have attraction for you. That then only leaves you to deal with seduction and the base of seduction is touching and kino, that's why 60 is so focused on escalation One more thing I don't like about 60s and GWM staff is that they concentrate on girls who're already attracted. What abbout girls who're not? That's why we have to know how to built attraction, in order to be able to come closer to our goal of being able to get ANY chick.+go be sexual in daygame-you'll be seen as weird. Especially in college campus. Then you're kinda f***** you can't create attraction. you can build it over an existing attraction. try to remember a girl that you disliked on the first look and then started to get attracted to her... can you? because I can't...

Author:	Warped Mindless [ Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:58 pm ]
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Quote: Quote: Quote: Just like blondguy said 60's game is night time oriented and it gets you in hyper fast, because it's based on a principle of weeding all the ''uninterested'' girls out and spend your time only with the ones, that they already have attraction for you. That then only leaves you to deal with seduction and the base of seduction is touching and kino, that's why 60 is so focused on escalation One more thing I don't like about 60s and GWM staff is that they concentrate on girls who're already attracted. What abbout girls who're not? That's why we have to know how to built attraction, in order to be able to come closer to our goal of being able to get ANY chick.+go be sexual in daygame-you'll be seen as weird. Especially in college campus. Then you're kinda f***** you can't create attraction. you can build it over an existing attraction. try to remember a girl that you disliked on the first look and then started to get attracted to her... can you? because I can't... Your assuming that attraction for men and women works the same way, it doesn't.

Author:	AdamThomas [ Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:26 pm ]
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Quote: Quote: Quote: One more thing I don't like about 60s and GWM staff is that they concentrate on girls who're already attracted. What abbout girls who're not? That's why we have to know how to built attraction, in order to be able to come closer to our goal of being able to get ANY chick.+go be sexual in daygame-you'll be seen as weird. Especially in college campus. Then you're kinda f***** you can't create attraction. you can build it over an existing attraction. try to remember a girl that you disliked on the first look and then started to get attracted to her... can you? because I can't... Your assuming that attraction for men and women works the same way, it doesn't. While I agree that women's attraction is different to men's, as in not purely based on looks, I also agree with the idea that you can't build it - that women need at least a little initial interest for you to stand a chance of ever having sex with them. Many women say that they decide within the first 10 minutes of meeting you whether they would ever have sex with you or not. Even though there may be a few tactics that will swing things in your favour (maybe she can gain something by fucking you such as popularity or money) it's really hard to build that from 0 interest. It also explains why even the top guys get rejected.

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Author:	$uave [ Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:23 am ]
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Quote: Quote: Quote: you can't create attraction. you can build it over an existing attraction. try to remember a girl that you disliked on the first look and then started to get attracted to her... can you? because I can't... Your assuming that attraction for men and women works the same way, it doesn't. While I agree that women's attraction is different to men's, as in not purely based on looks, I also agree with the idea that you can't build it - that women need at least a little initial interest for you to stand a chance of ever having sex with them. Many women say that they decide within the first 10 minutes of meeting you whether they would ever have sex with you or not. Even though there may be a few tactics that will swing things in your favour (maybe she can gain something by fucking you such as popularity or money) it's really hard to build that from 0 interest. It also explains why even the top guys get rejected. nobody is talking about getting ANY girl. We are talking about increasing your chances.