PUA Forum :: Gunwitch shot a woman in the face (with a real gun).

I thought I might share this with everyone: http://www.ktvz.com/news/26342408/detail.html

Obviously, this topic will start a lot of discussions about what PUA has become, the consequences of it and the whole negativity of the community. Even though I personally disagree (to a certain level), I will yet remain neutral in this discussion.

He has sleepwalking episodes, gets drunk, and owns a gun which he forgets whether it's loaded or not.

"mPUAs" are not gods. They have their own problems and shit. The fact that this terrible accident happened does not mean that his ideas about PU are therefore wrong, nor should it bring any negativity down on the community as a whole because of it.

I think mental illness and other bad paradigms are more prevalent among top PUAs than the average guy. This, at least to me, demonstrates that one must be careful of adopting others ways of thinking -- you may in the process may be getting some of their maladaptive behaviors or personal biases in the process. It seems to me it'd be better to learn PUA through practice instead of reading theory.

we can all agree that Gunwitch plays and teaches direct game.

I was not suggesting that PUA causes mental illness -- rather, I was suggesting that those with mental disorders are more likely to need PUA. There is a sampling error for the pool from which PUA Gurus come from.

As for this whole shooting-in-the-face incident, all I can say is that I'm PISSED OFF that GW would stain the community with such a terrible scandal. Fuck him.

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I wouldn't say those with mental illnesses are more likely, I'd say that social rejects and people with low self esteem would be inclined to try PUA. I agree with xfman that it probably stems from a lack of love, and no real social connections.

Wouldn't you say that the 'mPUAs' have reached the top due to a different sort of mental illness than the one you imply, not an insecure type of disorder, but just an illness that makes them extremely eccentric, that helps with PUA but harms them in the long term.

I reckon its only a matter of time before mystery goes completely nuts.

I reckon its only a matter of time before mystery goes completely nuts.

Both points here bring up something important. . . Since this all depends on which kind of mental illness we're talking about and whether or not it is socially observable, it is hard to put in place. If the mental illness causes you to get socially rejected then yes, you will be in great need of PU. Now which was the case with GW is hard to tell. After all, it would be wrong to completely judge him for what happened without knowing all the facts.

Mystery has lost it more than once.

Author:	Little Panda [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:47 pm ]
Post subject:	Gunwitch shot a woman in the face (with a real gun).
I thought I might share this with everyone: http://www.ktvz.com/news/26342408/detail.html Some of you may have read Gunwitch's material. You may or may not have liked it, but nevertheless, we can all agree that Gunwitch plays and teaches direct game. Obviously, this topic will start a lot of discussions about what PUA has become, the consequences of it and the whole negativity of the community. Even though I personally disagree (to a certain level), I will yet remain neutral in this discussion. I'd like to hear your thoughts about this because I believe that this should not be ignored in any way. Now for all of you going: Who cares, why you gotta put this up, why do you want to start a discussion, or whatever . . . I simply feel that we can all learn something from this incident. I won't go into details, this is all up to you to discuss. Here is also the link from ThunderSeductionLair telling the story: http://www.thundercatseductionlair.com/ ... -the-face/ Panda

Author:	ShadowSketched [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:25 pm ]
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Read both posts, but neither mentions why Gunwitch did it. I know the motive would not justify for shooting the woman in the face. I just think the reason behind it has nothing to do with PUA.

Author:	Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:32 pm ]
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He has sleepwalking episodes, gets drunk, and owns a gun which he forgets whether it's loaded or not. "mPUAs" are not gods. They have their own problems and shit. The fact that this terrible accident happened does not mean that his ideas about PU are therefore wrong, nor should it bring any negativity down on the community as a whole because of it.

Author:	trixsta [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:22 pm ]
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Quote: I thought I might share this with everyone: http://www.ktvz.com/news/26342408/detail.html Obviously, this topic will start a lot of discussions about what PUA has become, the consequences of it and the whole negativity of the community. Even though I personally disagree (to a certain level), I will yet remain neutral in this discussion. Why will it? One man doesn't equal PUA.

Author:	Little Panda [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:36 pm ]
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Alright, people clearly misunderstood my point. Because of the fact that he IS a PUA, this WILL start discussions, even though his actions had NOTHING to do with PUA itself. An example of this would be Terrorism. Islam has taken the blame for a lot of terrorist attacks, even though Islam, the religion itself, has nothing to do with terrorism. Now to avoid getting off topic, this is a good point: Quote: He has sleepwalking episodes, gets drunk, and owns a gun which he forgets whether it's loaded or not. "mPUAs" are not gods. They have their own problems and shit. The fact that this terrible accident happened does not mean that his ideas about PU are therefore wrong, nor should it bring any negativity down on the community as a whole because of it.

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Author:	xfman [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:03 pm ]
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Actually it seems you become a "Guru" and you have a 80% chance of going nuts... The reason might be fame but also an important lack of love. I think it starts with seeing girls as objects, and becoming obsessed with the "game" and other ideas. I'm not surprised. We had discussed about the ways the community can make you wrong and YES there are a LOT of ways and it DOES happen... Check the thread here: ways-the-seduction-community-can-make-y ... 10652.html PUA can make you obsessive at the point you over analyze anything.

Author:	johnchangmai [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:32 pm ]
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Having read Xfmans reply it has got me thinking. Without reading into this to much, i do feel that there might be more to this than meets the eye. Having read Xfmans link. Well i suppose it was bound to happen. What interests me more is. Who is next to freak out.Go mad etc or have a breakdown. Xfman said. The reason might be fame but also an important lack of love. Ah yes. Yes indeed. I wonder what some of the other high profile members think about this. Probably use it for a story to bang another chick lol.

Author:	Diego1234567 [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:39 pm ]
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gunwitch shoulda just sat back and chilled. its kinda silly, a guy is a bus driver, bus driver shoots someone. ALL BUS DRIVERS ARE MURDERERS. anyway pua is a silly term, this is a giant dating forum. the only thing we have in common with him is that we like chicks. fuck. i wonder if any other men do. I know thats not your point Panda but what are we supposed to discuss here? possible motives? people will hate on this site, on the community and we will make loads of jokes, memes and pictures and we'll get a few trolls on here. Gunwitch was probably a troubled man or a bastard, or both.

Author:	Warped Mindless [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:00 pm ]
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The cops now think it could have been a drug deal gone wrong. The girl he shot: http://www.myspace.com/atbabydoll Unless something has changed sense yesterday, Gunwitch is in Klamath County Jail. As far as I know, their still taking calls regarding Gunwitch and even letting some of the callers talk to him. 541-883-5130 Thats the number. The prosecution is seeking attempted murder charges against him and if convicted, Gun is looking at a minimum at 25 years.

Author:	Silentman [ Sat Jan 08, 2011 6:57 am ]
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I've read his wonderful and effective methods. Yet when I look at his picture, and I see a confused and disturbed person deep down under. -Sil3nt

Author:	Chief [ Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:29 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Gunwitch shot a woman in the face (with a real gun).
Quote: we can all agree that Gunwitch plays and teaches direct game. Only MM-brainwashed idiots who think that game has to be either direct or indirect think GWM is direct game. Gunwitch once described his method as "the most indirect method" in an interview with Neil Strauss. As for this whole shooting-in-the-face incident, all I can say is that I'm PISSED OFF that GW would stain the community with such a terrible scandal. Fuck him.

Author:	dakiller [ Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:04 am ]
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Quote: I was not suggesting that PUA causes mental illness -- rather, I was suggesting that those with mental disorders are more likely to need PUA. There is a sampling error for the pool from which PUA Gurus come from. I wouldn't say those with mental illnesses are more likely, I'd say that social rejects and people with low self esteem would be inclined to try PUA. I agree with xfman that it probably stems from a lack of love, and no real social connections. Wouldn't you say that the 'mPUAs' have reached the top due to a different sort of mental illness than the one you imply, not an insecure type of disorder, but just an illness that makes them extremely eccentric, that helps with PUA but harms them in the long term. I reckon its only a matter of time before mystery goes completely nuts.

Author:	Little Panda [ Sat Jan 08, 2011 12:46 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Gunwitch shot a woman in the face (with a real gun).
Now Chief, to me it seemed obvious that he was going direct as fuck, which is why I felt I could categorize it that way. But I can't judge that according to the quick read-through with his material. It was just a strong assumption. Quote: As for this whole shooting-in-the-face incident, all I can say is that I'm PISSED OFF that GW would stain the community with such a terrible scandal. Fuck him. Exactly my point. Quote: Quote: I was not suggesting that PUA causes mental illness -- rather, I was suggesting that those with mental disorders are more likely to need PUA. There is a sampling error for the pool from which PUA Gurus come from. I wouldn't say those with mental illnesses are more likely, I'd say that social rejects and people with low self esteem would be inclined to try PUA. I agree with xfman that it probably stems from a lack of love, and no real social connections. Wouldn't you say that the 'mPUAs' have reached the top due to a different sort of mental illness than the one you imply, not an insecure type of disorder, but just an illness that makes them extremely eccentric, that helps with PUA but harms them in the long term. I reckon its only a matter of time before mystery goes completely nuts. Both points here bring up something important. . . Since this all depends on which kind of mental illness we're talking about and whether or not it is socially observable, it is hard to put in place. If the mental illness causes you to get socially rejected then yes, you will be in great need of PU. Now which was the case with GW is hard to tell. After all, it would be wrong to completely judge him for what happened without knowing all the facts. Quote: I reckon its only a matter of time before mystery goes completely nuts. Mystery has lost it more than once.

Author:	dakiller [ Sat Jan 08, 2011 1:00 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Gunwitch shot a woman in the face (with a real gun).
Quote: Both points here bring up something important. . . Since this all depends on which kind of mental illness we're talking about and whether or not it is socially observable, it is hard to put in place. If the mental illness causes you to get socially rejected then yes, you will be in great need of PU. Now which was the case with GW is hard to tell. After all, it would be wrong to completely judge him for what happened without knowing all the facts. Mystery has lost it more than once. True, we can only speculate

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