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Author:  daquix [ Wed Dec 08, 2010 4:47 pm ]
Post subject:  How often do you completely strike?
Not meaning how many do you not have sex with. I mean out of 10 girls you walk up to/hit on how many of those 10 reject you?
Author:  Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Wed Dec 08, 2010 5:23 pm ]
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Opening direct on the street, it's basically a filtering process to find a hot girl who

(i) is attracted to me (if they stay, or smile or blush when I open)
(ii) is single / up for it (if they say they're single or dating multiple men)
(iii) likes my personality (they laugh at my jokes, ask me questions)
(iv) has some personality traits I like (they respond to my qualification questions)

In that order. If I like them after step (iv), then I set up a day 2 based on a common interest if we've found one, and then n-close (or go for insta-date if possible). The whole thing takes 5-10 minutes.

I would say that I'll n-close from a cold approach about 20-40% of the time, and of those only a half will turn into day 2s. So my net close rate is about 15% ±5%

The important thing is to think about it as "screening" or "filtering" and not as "rejection."
Author:  daquix [ Wed Dec 08, 2010 5:33 pm ]
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Opening direct on the street, it's basically a filtering process to find a hot girl who

(i) is attracted to me (if they stay, or smile or blush when I open)
(ii) is single / up for it (if they say they're single or dating multiple men)
(iii) likes my personality (they laugh at my jokes, ask me questions)
(iv) has some personality traits I like (they respond to my qualification questions)

In that order. If I like them after step (iv), then I set up a day 2 based on a common interest if we've found one, and then n-close (or go for insta-date if possible). The whole thing takes 5-10 minutes.

I would say that I'll n-close from a cold approach about 20-40% of the time, and of those only a half will turn into day 2s. So my net close rate is about 15% ±5%

The important thing is to think about it as "screening" or "filtering" and not as "rejection."
Good point. Rejection is the one thing that ever holds me back.

What if she doesn't think i'm attractive? What if she doesn't like my clothes/style? What if blah blah blah
Author:  Noah E [ Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:31 pm ]
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Opening direct on the street, it's basically a filtering process to find a hot girl who

(i) is attracted to me (if they stay, or smile or blush when I open)
(ii) is single / up for it (if they say they're single or dating multiple men)
(iii) likes my personality (they laugh at my jokes, ask me questions)
(iv) has some personality traits I like (they respond to my qualification questions)

In that order. If I like them after step (iv), then I set up a day 2 based on a common interest if we've found one, and then n-close (or go for insta-date if possible). The whole thing takes 5-10 minutes.

I would say that I'll n-close from a cold approach about 20-40% of the time, and of those only a half will turn into day 2s. So my net close rate is about 15% ±5%

The important thing is to think about it as "screening" or "filtering" and not as "rejection."
Good point. Rejection is the one thing that ever holds me back.

What if she doesn't think i'm attractive? What if she doesn't like my clothes/style? What if blah blah blah
Thats simple, forget what one girl's opinion of you is when there's thousands of other girls out there who will like your looks, your style, your personality etc
Author:  _Lothario_ [ Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:10 am ]
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No woman can ever reject you until you qualify her. An act of rejection before qualifying is an act of conceitedness, which disqualifies the woman in question.

If going for a lay however, you can use this to your advantage by bringing this personality flaw to her attention, and respectfully showing your distaste for it.

"Look sweetheart, the fact that I am talking to you does not mean I am attracted to you, and thinking that way is VERY unattractive."
Author:  Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:47 am ]
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"Look sweetheart, the fact that I am talking to you does not mean I am attracted to you, and thinking that way is VERY unattractive."
What?

"The fact that I'm talking to you does not mean I am attracted to you"

A logically valid point. Except for the fact that YOU ARE TALKING TO HER BECAUSE YOU WANT TO FUCK HER. Why are you masking your intentions behind this statement?

"thinking that way is VERY unattractive"

Basically an insult.

Now, if she is attracted to you, then she's saying "are you attracted to me too?" and you're saying YOU? NO WAY YOU SUCK. Matching an IOI with an IOD, not such a great move.

If she's not, then you're saying "UGH I wouldn't want you anyway" = matching an IOD with an IOD = being a reactive asshole.

Either way, this is not going to progress your pickup.
Author:  _Lothario_ [ Thu Dec 09, 2010 3:12 pm ]
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A logically valid point. Except for the fact that YOU ARE TALKING TO HER BECAUSE YOU WANT TO FUCK HER. Why are you masking your intentions behind this statement?

"thinking that way is VERY unattractive"

Basically an insult.

Now, if she is attracted to you, then she's saying "are you attracted to me too?" and you're saying YOU? NO WAY YOU SUCK. Matching an IOI with an IOD, not such a great move.



I am not matching IOI with IOD. I did say this in reference to when a girl assumes the role of the rejector, without being given that role by me. In order for a woman to actually reject you, she must qualify. If she doesn't qualify how can I feel rejected.

For a woman to assume that role without anythign beyond my interest in seeing IF she qualifies she has demonstrated DISINTEREST, and by explaining how unattractive her conceitedness is, I am taking control of her frame.

And since I am right, this is going to affect her for a bit. In all honesty, most women I do this to get PISSED off. I mean there is alcohol involved. But almost every one has come back and apologized and offered a drink, or continued conversation.

"Nobody ever talks to me like that"


That's really the reaction you'll get out of this. And the reason nobody talks to her like that is because they accept her beauty as instant qualification for a mate. You can definitely turn her false rejection into a lay.


So if going for a same night lay (which I am not-so generally i say that and tell her to bug off because it invokes my disinterest) you should be talking to the girl because you want to fuck, PERIOD. Not because you want to fuck her. She still needs to qualify.
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