PUA Forum :: Paul Janka shares what most men don't know about PUA.

I agree with most of this. It certainly is a numbers game, there's no point in ploughing, and it's important to make as good an impression as possible within about 5 minutes of interaction.

HOWEVER

1. If you have your logistics sorted out, and you know that she's free, your house / her house is nearby, and she's clearly interested, then why the hell not continue the interaction, (maybe grab a bite or a drink), and fucking CLOSE?

2. A number in itself means very little. Think of the number as the bridge to the day 2. If she's on her way to meet her friend or something and you can't close, then it's a really smart idea to talk about a day 2 idea with her first, and hopefully even say a place and a day and a time. Then you're simple exchanging contact details for the purpose of facilitating the thing you've already arranged. If you just get a number in a few minutes and you haven't really reached a commonality or two, and you just say "let's hang out sometime," then more often than not, it's gonna flake.

Hello

A quick note about this point.

Quote.
Take my word for it since I’ve spent years doing the research (or do it yourself and waste time): you will gain nothing by talking longer and possibly you’ll torpedo the opportunity.

The trouble with a lot of information like this is that a MAN is telling ANOTHER man to DO IT MY WAY.

Or do it your way and waste time.

The whole fucking point is to do it yourself and fuck up.
Learn by mistake and move on.

Maybe im just picking holes in an otherwise good thread.

Maybe im just to old an inflexible.

Maybe i should have a coke and a smile and shut the fuck up.

Author:	PlayHer Man [ Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:12 am ]
Post subject:	Paul Janka shares what most men don't know about PUA.
If you don't know Paul Janka, he is a PUA living in New York City who has slept with 100's of women in a relatively short time span. Below are a few paragraphs from his book: "Attraction Formula". --"Why are movie trailers so short? Why are they a minute and not five? Or, why not simply ten seconds? Market researches have spent lots of time and money figuring the ideal time to expose a cold prospect to a new movie idea. This has been studied, I’m sure, for years and these professional marketers have realized that too long and you bore the audience (or worse show them something about the upcoming movie that ruins it for them or turns them off), too short and the audience can’t form a cohesive picture of the film. Your street game consists of nothing more than your movie trailer.Keep it tight and keep it short But…Why Not Stay Longer to Build Rapport? • You never get credit for playing by their rules. There are many examples of this, such as going out to dinner, stopping by to “meet their friends,” buying her shit, etc. And a key one for your game is that standing around chatting for an extra five minutes (not to mention thirty minutes) when you first meet will rarely have a downstream effect. That’s because women put men in categories: stranger, friend, guy they’ve slept with, boyfriend, etc. For our purpose the categories that matter are “stranger” and “guy they’ve slept with” and getting from one to the other as fast as possible. Take my word for it since I’ve spent years doing the research (or do it yourself and waste time): you will gain nothing by talking longer and possibly you’ll torpedo the opportunity. Once you’ve gotten her number, move on. First of all, it’s likely that you’ll say something that works against you. The “stranger” light is blinking in her head and plenty can disqualify you. If you’ve got the number, you’ve already been qualified – what more do you want? As I’ve said, women travel this world looking for reasons to disqualify otherwise decent men. If she’s given you the digits, you’re done for the moment. Save that funny line you’re dying to use. The other reason to move on is that there are other girls around, and since it’s a numbers game, you need to get to work. Trying to make an “impression” on each girl also is futile because you’re up against another tenet of the game: • A difficult woman remains difficult. Basically, if the girl is fun and carefree, the forty-five seconds you spend are sufficient; she’ll respond and you’ll meet and shag. If she’s difficult – which is a general term for women who are skeptical, suspicious, haughty, bitchy, condescending and/or rude – no amount of chatting is going to overcome her normal disposition. You won’t fuck her with a 30 second stop-and-chat, but you won’t fuck her with the investment of an hour of top game. Let her go. That’s the beauty of the game. Next! There you have it. Move through the city (or suburb) confidently, smoothly and quickly, getting numbers and work the phonebook later. Even if I like a girl, I’ve found that it’s better to work on her in the comfort of my apartment then accompany her on errands or join for coffee on the spot. At least when I’m home with them, I’ve a shot at sleeping with them!" -- Paul Janka This is interesting because it goes against a lot of stuff in the seduction community. Yet.. he has slept with 100's of women. Just shows how there is really no "right way" carved in stone for dealing with women.

Author:	Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:27 pm ]
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I agree with most of this. It certainly is a numbers game, there's no point in ploughing, and it's important to make as good an impression as possible within about 5 minutes of interaction. HOWEVER 1. If you have your logistics sorted out, and you know that she's free, your house / her house is nearby, and she's clearly interested, then why the hell not continue the interaction, (maybe grab a bite or a drink), and fucking CLOSE? 2. A number in itself means very little. Think of the number as the bridge to the day 2. If she's on her way to meet her friend or something and you can't close, then it's a really smart idea to talk about a day 2 idea with her first, and hopefully even say a place and a day and a time. Then you're simple exchanging contact details for the purpose of facilitating the thing you've already arranged. If you just get a number in a few minutes and you haven't really reached a commonality or two, and you just say "let's hang out sometime," then more often than not, it's gonna flake.

Author:	PlayHer Man [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:47 am ]
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Quote: I agree with most of this. It certainly is a numbers game, there's no point in ploughing, and it's important to make as good an impression as possible within about 5 minutes of interaction. HOWEVER 1. If you have your logistics sorted out, and you know that she's free, your house / her house is nearby, and she's clearly interested, then why the hell not continue the interaction, (maybe grab a bite or a drink), and fucking CLOSE? Because thats a "Night game" technique. Its highly unlikely that a girl you meet in the middle of the day is going to go home with you. The probability is so low its not worth doing. That "stranger light" is still blinking in her head afterall and she isn't drunk like she'd be at a bar. More importantly.. there are other girls to meet and you are wasting time on a "maybe". Quote: 2. A number in itself means very little. Think of the number as the bridge to the day 2. If she's on her way to meet her friend or something and you can't close, then it's a really smart idea to talk about a day 2 idea with her first, and hopefully even say a place and a day and a time. Then you're simple exchanging contact details for the purpose of facilitating the thing you've already arranged. If you just get a number in a few minutes and you haven't really reached a commonality or two, and you just say "let's hang out sometime," then more often than not, it's gonna flake. I'll post more from Paul Janka's book later. He talks about why numbers are so important. There is a very good reason he goes for the number and I'll post it soon.

Author:	johnchangmai [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:24 pm ]
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Hello A quick note about this point. Quote. Take my word for it since I’ve spent years doing the research (or do it yourself and waste time): you will gain nothing by talking longer and possibly you’ll torpedo the opportunity. The trouble with a lot of information like this is that a MAN is telling ANOTHER man to DO IT MY WAY. Or do it your way and waste time. The whole fucking point is to do it yourself and fuck up. Learn by mistake and move on. Maybe im just picking holes in an otherwise good thread. Maybe im just to old an inflexible. Maybe i should have a coke and a smile and shut the fuck up.

Author:	PlayHer Man [ Wed Dec 01, 2010 2:00 am ]
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Quote: Hello A quick note about this point. Quote. Take my word for it since I’ve spent years doing the research (or do it yourself and waste time): you will gain nothing by talking longer and possibly you’ll torpedo the opportunity. The trouble with a lot of information like this is that a MAN is telling ANOTHER man to DO IT MY WAY. Or do it your way and waste time. The whole fucking point is to do it yourself and fuck up. Learn by mistake and move on. Maybe im just picking holes in an otherwise good thread. Maybe im just to old an inflexible. Maybe i should have a coke and a smile and shut the fuck up. I think Paul is saying: "Do it my way" if you want MY results (Sleeping with 100's of women). Do it YOUR way and you wont get my results. Your choice.

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