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| Author: | cerebralassassin [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | why no one will ever achieve 100% success |
this is gonna be an illusion shattering post but its something on my mind. i ve been around pua for a long while and learned and studied the biggest names in pick up, in england and the us. but i have been thinking why no one can guarantee sucesss 100% of the time, you pay them money it takes up your time but no-one can guarantee you success and there is a simple reason that the majority of puas or poster's dont think about: theres too many variables on how shes going to react! you cant predict and react to what every woman is going to do every single time and to be honest that is what creates fear. lets put like this you pay a pua coach money to teach you how to get laid they teach you all these techniques, then you go out to the field you run a routine then she reacts in a different way then you expected what do you do??? so you go to another teacher learn a different set of routines again you go out to the field and again the girl reacts differently then you expect what do you do??? and so on and so on!!!! the truth is you cannot guarantee success because theres no surefire way to know how anyones gonna react every single time. |
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| Author: | Jav [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: why no one will ever achieve 100% success |
Quote: this is gonna be an illusion shattering post but its something on my mind.
I can sense you're part of the MM/routine following crowd, I'm going to totally disregard that:i ve been around pua for a long while and learned and studied the biggest names in pick up, in england and the us. but i have been thinking why no one can guarantee sucesss 100% of the time, you pay them money it takes up your time but no-one can guarantee you success and there is a simple reason that the majority of puas or poster's dont think about: theres too many variables on how shes going to react! you cant predict and react to what every woman is going to do every single time and to be honest that is what creates fear. lets put like this you pay a pua coach money to teach you how to get laid they teach you all these techniques, then you go out to the field you run a routine then she reacts in a different way then you expected what do you do??? so you go to another teacher learn a different set of routines again you go out to the field and again the girl reacts differently then you expect what do you do??? and so on and so on!!!! the truth is you cannot guarantee success because theres no surefire way to know how anyones gonna react every single time. It's part of why you have to stay true to yourself. Sounds easy, it isn't. And it doesn't make sense. Most AFC's think they have to please and impress a girl to have sex with her. While infact, no girls wants to be impressed or pleased. They want to be threated for who they are. Being yourself, truly letting your colours shine takes courage and practice. Why is it so difficult? Because you're still scared she may not like you... The funny thing being MORE people will actually like you the way you are when you're not trying to impress or please them. A little bit of 'FUCK THE SYSTEM' mentality helps. BUT VAJ, HOW AM I TOTALLY MYSELF, HOW DO I DO THAT!? This post isn't the answer to that question, that answer is out there in the field. You need to keep going out, talking to people, opening yourself up PROTIP: face your fear, it doesn't get easier than that. imo all these so called routines are useless because they aren't you the focus should be on you, not the kind of routines some poo ah guru teaches. p.s. Beware of overcompensating. It happends alot with negs, AFC comes across poo ah->reads about poo ah->does the EXACT opposite of what he was doing->gets nowhere. please use common sense and balance it out |
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| Author: | AFCEastChampion [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:42 pm ] |
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There's so many reasons nobody can achieve 100% success: 1. Some women do have a "type" 2. Some women are monogamous 3. Some women are lesbians etc. The trick is to meet the ones who haven't ruled out sex, and not give them a reason to. |
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| Author: | Jelly [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:28 pm ] |
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Quote: . lets put like this you pay a pua coach money to teach you how to get laid they teach you all these techniques, then you go out to the field you run a routine then she reacts in a different way then you expected what do you do??? so you go to another teacher learn a different set of routines again you go out to the field and again the girl reacts differently then you expect what do you do??? and so on and so on!!!! the truth is you cannot guarantee success because theres no surefire way to know how anyones gonna react every single time.
True but if your relying on routines then theres a problem right there. Improvise and calibrate, if every interaction was the same I wouldnt even talk to girls.Teachers cannot build you success. They can give you the directions on how to build the world you want but you have to build it yourself with your own hands. and of course their is no 100% as AFCEC said[/quote] |
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| Author: | Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:21 pm ] |
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There are only two certainties in life: death and taxes. Everything else is probabilities. The more you take control of the variables in life, the more you increase the likelihood of things going your way, but you can't guarantee anything just because you put effort in. The more specific point is that the rAFC learns a bunch of lines and tricks that can often achieve some success, but it's only after you ingrain a certain way of thinking, acting and being that you don't need the lines any more because you just know how to react (or not react) to any given situation. It's the difference between learning a foreign language out of a phrase book and actually speaking it fluently. This does not mean that PU is fundamentally flawed and that nobody can truly help you. It means that they can only give you a roadmap and a few shortcuts, and you have to discover the whole terrain yourself and make your own way before you truly figure it out. |
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| Author: | MynameisFisher [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:28 pm ] |
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I don't disregard Mystery Method. It helped me a hell lot to begin. Changed my views about the pickup entirely. Those routines help a lot for beginners. Sure they are not themselves but somehow they need to learn it how to be and if women don't even give a crap about them it would be pretty hard... I still use routines, the only difference is now I use my own ones which suit and reflect me, and my personality, and they are usually not preplanned. It just gets in my mind during game and I might use it in another game if it went well. 100% success is just impossible for there are lesbians and for another simple reason: There is no man in the world whom every woman likes or would like. There wasn't any and there won't be any. There are of course more popular and attractive men but there isn't an absolute. Girls are different too they have different taste I even find girls who find this 'alpha' type male totally unattractive. Very few, but there are some. Even hot ones. |
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| Author: | trixsta [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: why no one will ever achieve 100% success |
Quote: this is gonna be an illusion shattering post but its something on my mind.
Without trying to sound too sarcastic, it really doesn't take a genius to guess that one!
i ve been around pua for a long while and learned and studied the biggest names in pick up, in england and the us. but i have been thinking why no one can guarantee sucesss 100% of the time, you pay them money it takes up your time but no-one can guarantee you success and there is a simple reason that the majority of puas or poster's dont think about: theres too many variables on how shes going to react! you cant predict and react to what every woman is going to do every single time and to be honest that is what creates fear. lets put like this you pay a pua coach money to teach you how to get laid they teach you all these techniques, then you go out to the field you run a routine then she reacts in a different way then you expected what do you do??? so you go to another teacher learn a different set of routines again you go out to the field and again the girl reacts differently then you expect what do you do??? and so on and so on!!!! the truth is you cannot guarantee success because theres no surefire way to know how anyones gonna react every single time. |
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| Author: | Jav [ Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:56 am ] |
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The original poster is sooooo wrong he's a little bit right. If you're constantly chasing PU gurus that should already be a warning to review what exactly you're doing, since you're pretty much losing yourself chasing after something perfect while wasting ALOT of money. Not worth it. If you don't know what to do when a girl doesn't react according to your 'script' that also should be a warning to review your own social skills, you don't need a PU guru for that. I can only assume OP is a bit of a KJ, reading too much and wondering what really works without trying it out is a tell-tale sign of being a KJ. cheerio |
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| Author: | cerebralassassin [ Thu Oct 14, 2010 7:11 pm ] |
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firstly no i dont follow MM, i only look at things that supposedly work! and more importantly why! for a simple reason to find a pattern and use that pattern! as for the your not yourself comment well isnt the pu community about self improvement? lets face it we all change our behaviours when were around certain people if you were the exact same way you were at work as you were out on a sarge you're not very likely to get laid, you switch gears mentally so you change yourself. lets face it when you sarge you never show 'your true-self' you show a highlight reel self basically you just show the positive side so your conning her. the thing is we all joined the community for different reasons some guys want love, some of loves no hopers (the geeks, nerds etc) want to feel less hopeless and then guys who just want to get laid! i am the reformed geek who wants to make up for the time he missed, all the time i was in relationships when i could have been sleeping with a different girl every night |
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| Author: | StreetLight [ Mon Oct 18, 2010 1:22 am ] |
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You DO realize it's NOT a computer game, it's not an equation. If you want to learn you need to understand the psychology of sexual attraction, not remember "moves" and think about every possible result And btw There's no such thing as 100% success, you can't get EVERY girl, but you don't need to get EVERY girl there's enough you can |
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| Author: | PlayHer Man [ Tue Oct 19, 2010 12:31 am ] |
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While its true that there are too many "variables" in the field to get 100% success everytime.. you also have to remember that men who ARE highly successful with women are successful for a reason. Therefore, there IS SOME CONSISTANCY regarding what women are attracted to. I know this from experience because I've found many women will play the same games, and react the same way to the same thing. Of course not 100% but a lot. Maybe its more about knowing what TYPE of woman you are trying to attract and where to find them. If you stick to one type of woman you will have more consistant success. You can often tell TYPE by where she spends her time and how she dresses. |
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| Author: | R.G. [ Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: why no one will ever achieve 100% success |
Quote: Quote: this is gonna be an illusion shattering post but its something on my mind.
Without trying to sound too sarcastic, it really doesn't take a genius to guess that one!i ve been around pua for a long while and learned and studied the biggest names in pick up, in england and the us. but i have been thinking why no one can guarantee sucesss 100% of the time, you pay them money it takes up your time but no-one can guarantee you success and there is a simple reason that the majority of puas or poster's dont think about: theres too many variables on how shes going to react! you cant predict and react to what every woman is going to do every single time and to be honest that is what creates fear. lets put like this you pay a pua coach money to teach you how to get laid they teach you all these techniques, then you go out to the field you run a routine then she reacts in a different way then you expected what do you do??? so you go to another teacher learn a different set of routines again you go out to the field and again the girl reacts differently then you expect what do you do??? and so on and so on!!!! the truth is you cannot guarantee success because theres no surefire way to know how anyones gonna react every single time. |
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